DerrickT Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 The press release... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWitek Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 18 mins ago, MakoMike said: That's true regardless of what the selected F value is. As one of the board members said to me recently; "all we can do is set the table it's up to mother nature as to when we get the bumper year classes." When the TC tries to predict rebuilding it's all a crapshoot depending on what year classes they predict. They can still base rebuilding measures on average year classes, and adjust midstream. The problem is that they do try to bet on the big year classes, instead of basing a rebuilding plan on average, or a bit below, recruitment, and then end up rebuilding early if a bigger year class gave them a break, or tightening measures if, 3 or 5 years in, recruitment is unusually low.. "I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.." -- Ted Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoMike Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 min ago, CWitek said: They can still base rebuilding measures on average year classes, and adjust midstream. The problem is that they do try to bet on the big year classes, instead of basing a rebuilding plan on average, or a bit below, recruitment, and then end up rebuilding early if a bigger year class gave them a break, or tightening measures if, 3 or 5 years in, recruitment is unusually low.. Yes they can, my point was that no matter when they say the stock will be rebuilt its a crapshoot as to whether or not it actually happens when they predict. ====Mako Mike====Makomania SportfishingPt. Judith, RI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWitek Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Drew C. said: Fote is a menace to all fisheries. And I'm hearing fairly reliable rumors that he's about to take his influence to the next level, and end up getting appointed to the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council, where he will undoubtedly spend his time telling the SSC that he's been around since the 1980s, so he knows that their science is wrong... "I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.." -- Ted Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWitek Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, MakoMike said: Yes they can, my point was that no matter when they say the stock will be rebuilt its a crapshoot as to whether or not it actually happens when they predict. I'd argue that the odds are a little better than a "crapshoot," but agree that the further out you go, the more the uncertainty grows, particularly when dealing with a fish like bass, where recruitment tends to swing widely from year to ydar. "I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.." -- Ted Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergal Posted May 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 mins ago, CWitek said: And I'm hearing fairly reliable rumors that he's about to take his influence to the next level, and end up getting appointed to the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council, where he will undoubtedly spend his time telling the SSC that he's been around since the 1980s, so he knows that their science is wrong... I’m sure he will. I’m not entirely sure how he even got to where he is today with this. ASMFC - Destroying public resources and fisheries one stock at a time since 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWitek Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 19 mins ago, DerrickT said: The press release... I love the way that this release is worded. Sort of "yes, the stock is overfished and subject to overfishing, but don't worry, it was worse during the collapse of the '80s." "I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.." -- Ted Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoMike Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 min ago, CWitek said: And I'm hearing fairly reliable rumors that he's about to take his influence to the next level, and end up getting appointed to the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council, where he will undoubtedly spend his time telling the SSC that he's been around since the 1980s, so he knows that their science is wrong... Curious as to who these rumors say he is going to replace? Adam's term doesn't expire fr two more years. ====Mako Mike====Makomania SportfishingPt. Judith, RI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWitek Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 mins ago, Drew C. said: I’m sure he will. I’m not entirely sure how he even got to where he is today with this. He hasn't held a job since he got out of the service in the mid-'70s--he was an infantry officer, was wounded in Viet Nam, and received a disability retirement--so he's just had a seat at the table ever since. If you keep showing up, someone gives you a job. "I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.." -- Ted Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWitek Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 min ago, MakoMike said: Curious as to who these rumors say he is going to replace? Adam's term doesn't expire fr two more years. Didn't hear that part. But given my source, I'd give the rumor at least as good odds as ASMFC is giving its striped bass fishing mortality reduction. "I have always believed that outdoor writers who come out against fish and wildlife conservation are in the wrong business. To me, it makes as much sense golf writers coming out against grass.." -- Ted Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergal Posted May 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 9 mins ago, CWitek said: He hasn't held a job since he got out of the service in the mid-'70s--he was an infantry officer, was wounded in Viet Nam, and received a disability retirement--so he's just had a seat at the table ever since. If you keep showing up, someone gives you a job. I know that part of his history. I was a member of a NJ club that Tom was (is still?). He spoke often about fishery issues then. He might have been the clubs conservation guy, don’t remember. Back then I was a knuckle dragging, mouth breathing Neanderthal NJ angler that was more concerned with what I could keep than I was about the health of any resource. I was in agreement with him (as were/are others) on the various issues. Thankfully, I learned a little since this times but others are still dinosaurs. As i said, he’s a menace to healthy resources. ASMFC - Destroying public resources and fisheries one stock at a time since 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splions Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 The proposal I saw this week to hit the target was increasing the minimum size in the Chesapeake Bay a little and all other areas would go to 35". Someone brought up the use of a slot and the discards related to slot fish offset the benefits. "A successful man is one who can lay a strong foundation with the bricks thrown at him."- David Brinkley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakoMike Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 On 5/1/2019 at 1:02 PM, Drew C. said: Fote is a menace to all fisheries. He was just appointed to MAFAC! ====Mako Mike====Makomania SportfishingPt. Judith, RI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergal Posted May 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 hour ago, MakoMike said: He was just appointed to MAFAC! Well that sucks. Friggin guy can’t even read a chart properly. WTF. blacklabnh 1 ASMFC - Destroying public resources and fisheries one stock at a time since 1942. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reel gambler Posted May 2, 2019 Report Share Posted May 2, 2019 Was listening to talk radio today and sure enough they started talking about bass. A regurgitated press release but on the radio nonetheless in RI today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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