saltydawg Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 Full disclosure: I did not and will not vote for Trump. I do not think he’s a leader in any sense. When he was elected, it was a spit in the eye of establishment politicians, a paradigm shift based on people feeling disenfranchised. The pushback was predictable: establishments showed they are weak, so the Democrats ran headlong in the opposite direction...hence, the rise of the young radicals. They make Hillary look like Reagan. They are intent on tearing down American institutions and splintering the people. They are successfully normalizing previously unacceptable ideas. And they are here to stay. Look at the plight of Bernie and Biden (establishments of the old guard). Now we are left with a Democratic Party running left as fast as it can go, leaving centrists and independent stuck in no-man’s land. So while many people praise the Trump experiment, it has ultimately led to a seismic shift in the alternative leadership in our country and I find it frightening. Dan J, Fishhead7, braden and 1 other 3 1 - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 I originally hoped that the silver lining from a Trump Presidency would be a softening of personal moral standards that would lead to a better pool of applicants. If you could be divorced and not have the squeaky clean, white picket fence image and still win because of leadership or vision, it would be a very good thing. I'll still give it time as I think a lot of people think Trump has a very good shot and the prospect of losing to Trump is going to send a lot of true contenders to the sideline where they can wait out 2024. However, in the interim, we have a first rate collection of assclowns from the Democrats. However, the door appears open for Bloomberg. Fishhead7 and braden 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltydawg Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 I am thinking beyond the next election cycle, though. I think the Democrats drastically reset their place on the continuum in the last two years...like more in two years than over the last 40z - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dena Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 9 mins ago, saltydawg said: Full disclosure: I did not and will not vote for Trump. I do not think he’s a leader in any sense. When he was elected, it was a spit in the eye of establishment politicians, a paradigm shift based on people feeling disenfranchised. The pushback was predictable: establishments showed they are weak, so the Democrats ran headlong in the opposite direction...hence, the rise of the young radicals. They make Hillary look like Reagan. They are intent on tearing down American institutions and splintering the people. They are successfully normalizing previously unacceptable ideas. And they are here to stay. Look at the plight of Bernie and Biden (establishments of the old guard). Now we are left with a Democratic Party running left as fast as it can go, leaving centrists and independent stuck in no-man’s land. So while many people praise the Trump experiment, it has ultimately led to a seismic shift in the alternative leadership in our country and I find it frightening. If Trump is smart, he will rush to the center, and fill the vacuum left by the departing stage Left Democrats. If he doesn't, someone will that has a better than decent chance to unseat him. Whom that will be isn't in the race yet. Edited April 2, 2019 by dena Material abundance without character is the path of destruction. -Thomas JeffersonThere are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true. -Soren Kierkegaard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 Just now, saltydawg said: I am thinking beyond the next election cycle, though. I think the Democrats drastically reset their place on the continuum in the last two years...like more in two years than over the last 40z Agreed, but the pendulum swings and there's not much distinction between the two major parties which has led them to the left. I think that the success found behind gay marriage led to the SJW era (internet a strong force here too) and the success of Bernie led to the free college type nonsense. If they see these platforms can't win, the pendulum will swing back. However, we're seen the whole system move to the left. Eventually, a more conservative third party will emerge to bring things further back to the right. The pendulum has definitely overswung. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltydawg Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 4 mins ago, dena said: If Trump is smart, he will rush to the center, and fill the vacuum left by the departing stage Left Democrats. If he doesn't, someone will that has a better than decent chance to unseat him. Whom that will be isn't in the race yet. It’s primed for someone to take on the representative for the average non-partisan American...but is there infrastructure and funding that could make it a reality? Typically, 3rd parties have been the real kooks. Now that the two parties are the kooks, it could happen. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markushook Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 You guys do realize, Trump already is waaaaaay more center the what the Dems are offering. Them killing Biden will be their undoing IMO b4loran and RonG 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotcow? Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 17 mins ago, saltydawg said: So while many people praise the Trump experiment, it has ultimately led to a seismic shift in the alternative leadership in our country and I find it frightening. What we are seeing from the Democrat leadership is the fruit of decades worth of careful cultivation. It's Liberal eugenics and I find that frightening. Trump has not swung the pendulum. He has replaced it with a wrecking ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotcow? Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 4 mins ago, Markushook said: . Them killing Biden will be their undoing IMO Biden is DOA. He may be hands on and have a feel for the job but he's toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oax Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) Understand your point but really don't agree that Trump winning the election is the reason for the Dems going down the socialist road; I think eight years of Obama paved the way for that. If Hillary had won do you really think things would be all that much different? This whole everything for free and equalization of outcomes BS started a long time ago; it’s just being kicked up a notch or two lately. Edited April 2, 2019 by oax nalu22 1 "I started out with nothing and I still have most of it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltydawg Posted April 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 4 mins ago, oax said: If Hillary had won do you really think things would be all that much different? Yes - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFischer Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) This^^.(what OAX said).Trump is a result of the SJW politically correct craziness. It started well before him. Edited April 2, 2019 by BigFischer Dan J 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy monday Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 I saw this in an article about Biden today; "Some want to nominate a guy like Biden, who is perceived as potentially capable of peeling off some of Trump’s 2016 voters — and, not coincidentally, perceived as unthreatening to men who resent the rise of feminism. Others, including myself, want the nominee to be a woman, and to pull in new voters with a bold feminist vision." The Dems are going to become the party of the bold feminist vision, maybe in 2020 but certainly beyond. I think they will use tactics like they are using with Joe to prune anyone not in line with that vision. Ashton Carter's wife explicitly said that Biden's actions towards her were that of a friend, but the Dem left seems to refuse to accept her right to say that. In this process they will alienate a lot of people - people who will not vote for Trump. Some will hold their nose and continue to vote Dem, but I think a lot of people are going to walk away from the process entirely. I already see myself leaving the POTUS box blank. Then of course they will spend 4 years writing blogs blaming everyone else for their loss. I would love to see an alternative to the 2 crappy parties we have, but at 63 I don't think I'll live long enough for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 52 mins ago, saltydawg said: When he was elected, it was a spit in the eye of establishment politicians, a paradigm shift based on people feeling disenfranchised. The pushback was predictable: IMHO we on the left see Trump as thoroughly corrupt and morally bankrupt, in addition if we felt disenfranchised before we now literally have a guy in office who is selling memberships to his club at a mark up because now you may get some face time with the President on most weekends...... Dems are going to push for honesty, and morality. and many like Biden will chewed up in the process. Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BW Posted April 2, 2019 Report Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 56 mins ago, The Dude said: I originally hoped that the silver lining from a Trump Presidency would be a softening of personal moral standards that would lead to a better pool of applicants. If you could be divorced and not have the squeaky clean, white picket fence image and still win because of leadership or vision, it would be a very good thing. I'll still give it time as I think a lot of people think Trump has a very good shot and the prospect of losing to Trump is going to send a lot of true contenders to the sideline where they can wait out 2024. However, in the interim, we have a first rate collection of assclowns from the Democrats. However, the door appears open for Bloomberg. I don't see any chance of him running. He will get #metoo'ed Edited April 2, 2019 by BW Fishy Fisher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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