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Possible Summer Flounder Regs.

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Copied and pasted from March 27, Cape May Herald Fishing Report Column 

 

News on the 2019 Summer Flounder Season was released and the resulting season will look almost the same as last year. Due to a change in the Marine Recreational Information Program (MRIP) estimation methods and the government shutdown, the final decisions for the 2019 were very uncertain. The information from 2018 will be reviewed and compared relative to this year’s allocation. Decisions will be formulated, and then adjusted, and then a vote will be taken on the final regulations. As of now the proposed regulations would be three fish at eighteen inches with a season running from Friday, May 24 through Saturday, September 21. The specialized regulations for the Delaware Bay and Island Beach State Park will remain the same, with a similar shift in season dates. If any more information becomes available, I will let you know.

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On 4/1/2019 at 8:24 AM, DoorGunner said:

Screw the regulations. Caught my first one yesterday. Solid keeper heading to the frying pan.

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Fred, I have often wondered about this when I see fry that small this time of year. Allegedly all the Fluke spawn offshore in the Fall. Yet when I see fry in the back bays that are this small, it makes me doubt that they could make that 50-75 mile journey and be here around April 1rst. Curious as to your opinion....Thanks

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@DoorGunner Seeing as you're CMC guy.... any idea what the thought process is behind having the 2 fish at 16" at IBSP since it is a state park but not having the same program available at CISP?  It would seem to make sense but that would only be logical haha

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If I was the rule maker it would be a 16 inch limit for everyone in the state. One thing has been proven since the start of regulations. They don't work. All season long we release flounder where god only knows how many die in an effort to catch so called keeper size flounder.

If I couldn't get 16 inch state wide then I would go for 16 inch state wide for surf fishermen. Surfers are limited to where and when they can fish and they usually work harder than most to catch a few fish. Why the state gives us 16 in one certain area and not others is a mystery to me other than instead of throwing us a bone, they throw us a little piece of a bone. Just once I would love to be in a room with the actual people who set the seasons and limits with no police around.  

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Do flounder spawn during their fall migration? I guess they do because the so called people who are specialist on this topic say they do. I'm not out there so I can only trust what they say. That can't explain how I can catch them in my drop net an inch and a half long in April and drag a net along the shallow water in the inlets in October and catch the same size baby flounder. I spoke with a marine biologist about this around twenty years ago and he finally admitted that maybe some flounder spawn in our back bays that they don't even know about because they never studied it. WOW. 

Just about every fish we catch inshore reproduce in the spring so their young can use the protection of our back bays and also to feed on the food pump that is the back bay nursery. Grass shrimp, crabs, minnows and shiners all spawn in our back bays providing an endless food source that tiny baby fish need to grow on. Why wouldn't they think that flounder would also take advantage of this nursery? How many critters can you think of that reproduce in the fall where the first thing they have to so is survive the cold winter? Doesn't make sense.  

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Not a marine biologist either, so I have to take their word regarding the offshore spawning. My common sense (or lack there of) tells me that this is not exclusive, and there may be a dual spawning cycle. When I see 1" Fluke in the back bays this time of year, I can't think of another rational explanation. Maybe one of the other members with a marine biology background can weigh in.

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 After  the real truth is told, We should quiz the folks making the regulations. If they don't know the right answer whatever it may be, they need to be fired. BTW what I do know is the juvenile flounder's eyes migrate to one side at some stage of their growth. As a result I couldn't tell a summer flounder from a winter flounder when that small since  I don't know when that process is final. Maybe the left hand right hand positioning of the eyes is not in play until a certain period of time.  That being said....... in Doorgunner I trust.

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15 hours ago, yarddog59 said:

............... BTW what I do know is the juvenile flounder's eyes migrate to one side at some stage of their growth. As a result I couldn't tell a summer flounder from a winter flounder when that small since  I don't know when that process is final. ............

 

Forget the eyes, and look at the mouths.  They're different, even when that small.

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Here are some real small Summer and Winter Flounder right next to one another.  The smaller ones are less than 2".

 

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On 4/4/2019 at 7:59 AM, fish643 said:

When I see 1" Fluke in the back bays this time of year, I can't think of another rational explanation.

 

I thought fluke larvae float in from the shelf, I've never read anything that indicates juveniles actually swim/migrate inshore. 

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