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Connecticut SC rules lawsuit against Remington

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...can proceed. The suit by 9 Sandy Hook families states that Remington never should have been able to market the AR-15 to civilians.

 

This will be one to watch...slippery slope. 

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3 mins ago, saltydawg said:

...can proceed. The suit by 9 Sandy Hook families states that Remington never should have been able to market the AR-15 to civilians.

 

This will be one to watch...slippery slope. 

while I can sympathize with these families blaming a style of firearm is absolute lunacy...

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Slippery slope indeed. Issue is going to be based on “appropriateness”, not legality. There was nothing illegal about the firearm nor how it was purchased. Lanza’s mother bought it at LGS with all the proper checks and balances.

 

Issue will come down to whether a product that is legal is appropriate for purchase by citizens. 

 

They find against Freedom Arms on this one, what is to stop them from massive class action suits on oxy, baby powder, etc. 

 

Oh, wait....

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Just now, BW said:

while I can sympathize with these families blaming a style of firearm is absolute lunacy...

It is, but big money backing this as an avenue to make all black modern sporting rifles illegal by design. 

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4 mins ago, BW said:

while I can sympathize with these families blaming a style of firearm is absolute lunacy...

No the real lunacy is in blaming an inanimate object for what a person has done.  But it's Connecticut did we really expect a different outcome? 

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Is this a criminal case or civil?

It will be interesting.

Oops my bad, lawsuit.

Oh, they're gonna win.

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4 mins ago, Billybob said:

Is this a criminal case or civil?

It will be interesting.

Oops my bad, lawsuit.

Oh, they're gonna win.

If there are emails and dicuments like the tobacco company had that showed a concerted effort to deceive, they will. 

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18 mins ago, saltydawg said:

market the AR-15 to civilians

LOL. It's a glorified pop gun. People are way off base and completely blind to reality due to ignorance.

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Details, including this lawsuit should be stopped by existing Federal law. 

 

Sandy Hook parents’ Remington lawsuit allowed to move forward

By Associated Press

 

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HARTFORD, Conn. — Gun maker Remington can be sued over how it marketed the Bushmaster rifle used to kill 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, a divided Connecticut Supreme Court ruled Thursday.

 

Justices issued a 4-3 decision that reinstated a wrongful death lawsuit and overturned a lower court ruling that the lawsuit was prohibited by a 2005 federal law that shields gun manufacturers from liability in most cases when their products are used in crimes.

 

The plaintiffs include a survivor and relatives of nine people killed in the massacre. They argue the AR-15-style rifle used by shooter Adam Lanza is too dangerous for the public and Remington glorified the weapon in marketing it to young people.

 

Remington has denied wrongdoing and previously insisted it can’t be sued under the federal law.

 

The majority of the high court agreed with most of the lower court’s ruling and dismissed most of the lawsuit’s allegations, but allowed a wrongful marketing claim to proceed.

 

“The regulation of advertising that threatens the public’s health, safety, and morals has long been considered a core exercise of the states’ police powers,” Justice Richard Palmer wrote for the majority.

 

Lanza, 20, shot his way into the locked school in Newtown on Dec. 14, 2012, and killed 20 first-graders and six educators with a Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle, similar to an AR-15. He shot his mother to death in their Newtown home beforehand and killed himself as police arrived at the school.

 

Connecticut’s child advocate said Lanza’s severe and deteriorating mental health problems, his preoccupation with violence and access to his mother’s legal weapons “proved a recipe for mass murder.”

 

Joshua Koskoff, a lawyer for the plaintiffs, told the state Supreme Court during arguments in November 2017 the Bushmaster rifle and other AR-15-style rifles were designed as military killing machines and should never have been sold to the public.

 

“The families’ goal has always been to shed light on Remington’s calculated and profit-driven strategy to expand the AR-15 market and court high-risk users, all at the expense of Americans’ safety,” Koskoff said Thursday. “Today’s decision is a critical step toward achieving that goal.”

 

Military-style rifles have been used in many other mass shootings, including in Las Vegas in October 2017 when 58 people were killed and hundreds more injured.

 

The case was watched by gun rights supporters and gun control advocates across the country as one that could affect other cases accusing gun-makers of being responsible for mass shootings. Several groups, ranging from the National Rifle Association to emergency room doctors, submitted briefs to the court.

 

The 2005 federal law, named the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, has been cited by other courts that rejected lawsuits against gun makers and dealers in other high-profile shooting attacks, including the 2012 Colorado movie theater shooting and the Washington, D.C., sniper shootings in 2002.

James Vogts, a lawyer for Remington, has cited the 2005 federal law and previously said the Bushmaster rifle is a legal firearm used by millions of people for hunting, self-defense and target shooting.

 

Remington, based in Madison, North Carolina, filed for bankruptcy reorganization last year amid years of slumping sales and legal and financial pressure over the Sandy Hook school massacre.

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As an aside, I had Barbara Matteson, photo above, speak at our local gun club twice, one before and once after the Dec 2012 attack. She is pro 2A, 

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No way they can win, Federal law provides that a firearm manufacturer cannot bee held liable for the misuse of its products. Presumably, since Remington is in NY and the litigants are in CT federal law prevails.

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AR's are the cheapest they've been in years right, gun market is super slow right now; I'm recommending a Buy on AR's.

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4 mins ago, nalu22 said:

AR's are the cheapest they've been in years right, gun market is super slow right now; I'm recommending a Buy on AR's.

I have two stripped lowers in the safe just waiting for me to build them. I bought them “just in case” during the Obama years. But at this point, I have four completes that are not getting used enough so why build another? I was going to SBR one of them, but I really want a SIG MPX pistol so why pay for a SBR stamp? 

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The law of unintended consequence says that if this lawsuit wins, then it is open season on any manufacturer.

 

Citing the outcome as precedent, what stops the usual scum suckers bringing suit against automotive manufacturers for wrongful death and maiming? It would be open season on any and all industries.

 

No line could ever be drawn.

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1 hour ago, tomkaz said:

I have two stripped lowers in the safe just waiting for me to build them. I bought them “just in case” during the Obama years. But at this point, I have four completes that are not getting used enough so why build another? I was going to SBR one of them, but I really want a SIG MPX pistol so why pay for a SBR stamp? 

No long guns for me, working on fixing that shortly! :)

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