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Listening Sessions to Gauge Interest in Party/Charter Limited Access

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New England Fishery Management Council

Groundfish Recreational Fishing: Council to Hold Listening

Sessions to Gauge Interest in Party/Charter Limited Access

The New England Fishery Management Council has scheduled eight listening sessions to solicit public comment on whether it should develop a limited access program for the recreational party/charter boat fishery under the Northeast Multispecies Fishery Management Plan, better known as the groundfish plan.

Seven in-person sessions will be held April 4 through May 9 from Maine to New Jersey, and a final webinar will be held on May 10 for anyone who could not attend an in-person session or who has additional comments to offer.

Council Executive Director Tom Nies said, “We’re going out on the road to listen to what people have to say. The Council has not made a decision yet about whether or not it will pursue limited access. We know the recreational fishery has many differing opinions about this issue, so before we begin to sketch out the details of a limited access program in an amendment to the groundfish plan, we first want to hear from impacted fishermen about whether or not they want us to embark down this road.”

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE PRESS CONTACT: Janice Plante March 11, 2019 (607) 592-4817, jplante@nefmc.org

What Does the Council Want to Know?

Fishermen are encouraged to offer opinions and perspective on the following issues, as well as any others of interest.

  • Isalimitedaccess program for the party/charter fishery warranted and/or desirable?

  • Whatshouldthegoals and objectives of the program be?

  • Shouldtherebeanopen access component for the for-hire fleet?

A successful recreational fishing trip aboard the Lady Tracey Ann, which sails from Eastman’s Docks in Seabrook, NH. The large cod were caught in May 2007 on Jeffrey’s Ledge in the Gulf of Maine. – Mark Godfroy photo

New England Fishery Management Council | 50 Water Street, Mill 2 | Newburyport, MA 01950 Phone: (978) 465-0492 | Fax: (978) 465-3116 | www.nefmc.org

New England Fishery Management Council

  • What would happen to vessel permits under a limited access program? Should there be restrictions?

  • What management measures should be considered? Should catch shares be part of the program?

  • How should history in the fishery be considered? Should the Council use the March 30, 2018 control date (see next page for control date details)?

  • How should “for-hire” be defined? Should there be an opportunity for new entrants into the program?

What Will Happen Next?

After information is gathered from the listening sessions, the Groundfish Committee will review and discuss the cumulative feedback and consider whether to recommend further action to the full Council. The recommendation may or may not lead to the development of an amendment to the groundfish plan that would pursue limited access.

The Committee’s recommendation will be made with input from the Recreational Advisory Panel and Groundfish Plan Development Team through a series of public meetings during 2019.

Recreational Groundfish Party/Charter Fishery Listening Session Schedule

Port, Date, and Time

Location

Seabrook, NH

Thursday, April 4, 2019 5:45 p.m. to 7:45 p.m.

Seabrook Public Library
25 Liberty Lane, Seabrook, NH Telephone: (603) 474-2044

Avalon, NJ

Monday, April 8, 2019 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.

Icona Golden Inn7849 Dune Drive, Avalon, NJ Telephone: (609) 368-5155

Wells, ME

Thursday, April 18, 2019 5:45 p.m. to 7:45 p.m.

Wells Public Library 1434 Post Road, Wells, ME Telephone: (207) 646-8181

Narragansett, RI

Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.

University of Rhode Island, Corless Auditorium 215 South Ferry Road, Narragansett, RI

Telephone: (401) 874-6222

Chatham, MA

Tuesday, May 7, 2019 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.

Chatham Community Center 702 Main Street, Chatham, MA

Telephone: (508) 945-5175

Plymouth, MA

Wednesday, May 8, 2019 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m.

Hampton Inn
10 Plaza Way, Plymouth, MA Telephone: (508) 747-5000

Gloucester, MA

Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:45 p.m. to 7:45 p.m.

Sawyer Free Library
2 Dale Ave., Gloucester, MA Telephone: (978) 281-9763

Webinar Register to ParticipateFriday, May 10, 2019

1:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m.

Webinar Session

https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/88737365 32644639746

Call: +1 (213) 929-4232, Access Code: 494-243-526

 

* The Avalon, NJ session is being held at the same location as the Mid-Atlantic Fishery Management Council’s April meeting.

New England Fishery Management Council | 50 Water Street, Mill 2 | Newburyport, MA 01950 Phone: (978) 465-0492 | Fax: (978) 465-3116 | www.nefmc.org

New England Fishery Management Council

The Council is collecting public comment until 5 p.m. on Friday, May 17, 2019. Stakeholders have several ways to provide input to the Council.

• Attendoneofthein-personlisteningsessionsand/orjointheMay10webinar.
• Emailcommentstocomments@nefmc.organdlabelthemas“ListeningSessionsfortheRecreational

Northeast Multispecies (Groundfish) Party and Charter Fishery.”
• Faxcommentsto(978)465-3116andlabelthemasdescribedabove.

• Mailproperlylabeledwrittencommentsto:

Tom Nies, Executive Director
New England Fishery Management Council

50 Water Street, Mill 2 Newburyport, MA 01950

“The listening sessions are an opportunity for members of the public to raise issues and concerns for the Council to consider for a possible limited access program for the recreational party/charter fishery. The Council needs your input to identify important issues.” – Listening Session Background Document

• VisittheListeningSessionsWebpage.• DownloadtheBackgroundDocument.

The deadline for public comments is May 17, 2019

For more information, contact Dr. Jamie Cournane, the Council’s groundfish plan coordinator, at
(978) 465-0492 ext. 103, 
jcournane@nefmc.org.

New England Fishery Management Council | 50 Water Street, Mill 2 | Newburyport, MA 01950 Phone: (978) 465-0492 | Fax: (978) 465-3116 | www.nefmc.org

Party/Charter Fishery Control DateQ: Is there a control date for the recreational

groundfish party/charter fishery?
A: Yes. The control date is March 19, 2018.

Q: Wasn’t there an older control date?

A: Yes. The old date was March 30, 2006. In January 2018, the Council agreed that conditions and issues in the recreational fishery had changed considerably since 2006 and that a new, more current control date would be a more useful indicator of recent activity in the fishery.

Q: What is the control date supposed to do?

A: As described in the March 19, 2018 Federal Register notice, “The control date is intended to discourage speculative entry, investment, or fishing activity in the party/charter fishery while the Council considers if and how participation in the fishery may be affected. The Council may use this control date for entry or participation qualification, along with additional criteria. Performance or fishing effort after the date of publication may not be treated the same as performance or effort before the control date. The Council may choose to use different qualification criteria that do not incorporate the new control date. The Council may also choose to take no further action to control entry or access to the party/charter groundfish fishery.”

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Please excuse my ignorance but what exactly does "charter/party boat limited access" mean?  Without knowing anything about it it's hard to form a intelligent opinion.  It doesn't sound good.

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13 hours ago, Dan Tinman said:

Please excuse my ignorance but what exactly does "charter/party boat limited access" mean?  Without knowing anything about it it's hard to form a intelligent opinion.  It doesn't sound good.

It means that the fleet would be limited to those boats that already have a license i.e. no new boats would be allowed.

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Thanks for the edification.  That doesn't sound like a good idea.  It also leads to a lot more questions, like what happens when the existing and allowed boats want to quit.  What happens to their "license"?

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51 mins ago, Dan Tinman said:

 

Classic nothing burger.  Imagine a young captain walking into a bank to apply for a loan to buy a party boat business.  He would be laughed out of the bank.  Nobody is beating down the door to put up the cash for a new party boat business.  Charter boats are much the same.  The business is slowly dying in a roaring economy.  What happens if the price of fuel goes up?  or fishing continues to worsen?

 

Here is a question...what and when was the last NEW party boat was built to fish the northeast?

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46 mins ago, Dan Tinman said:

Thanks for the edification.  That doesn't sound like a good idea.  It also leads to a lot more questions, like what happens when the existing and allowed boats want to quit.  What happens to their "license"?

That's part of the discussion that the council would like to hear views about. Nothing is set in stone yet.

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Curious as to why there's a meeting in NJ when the NEW ENGLAND council is floating the idea. As to the whole idea, will this relate to just groundfish? How about new entrants in other fisheries? IMHO this is a slippery slope that could include rec sector vessels with a stroke of a pen.

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51 mins ago, pakalolo said:

Curious as to why there's a meeting in NJ when the NEW ENGLAND council is floating the idea. As to the whole idea, will this relate to just groundfish? How about new entrants in other fisheries? IMHO this is a slippery slope that could include rec sector vessels with a stroke of a pen.

It's potentially for all boats that have a New England ground fish, charter/party permit. The data shows there are lots of permits held by people (boats) as far away as Virginia. Remember you need one of these permits to charter for cod, no matter where you are located. AFAIK there are  no permits required for any other rec sector vessels fishing for groundfish. These are just listening sessions where the staff will record any and all opinions and questions to bring back to the Groundfish committee and eventually  maybe the full council.

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17 hours ago, MakoMike said:

 Remember you need one of these permits to charter for cod, no matter where you are located.

Cod charter boats - now there is a growth business.  Probably do a little VCR repair on the side to make ends meet.

 

Seems like these guys spend more tax payer dollars finding solutions (excuse a listening tour) to problems that don't exist while there massive problems that don't get the funding they need.

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Just FYI, thee have been certain individuals and organizations that have been pushing for limited entry for charter/party boats for at least ten years now. The NEFMC has finally agreed to take a look at the idea. 

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Not really, at least not that I have heard so far. It's supposed to be more like limited entry in the fluke, sea bass, and scup fisheries. If it stays that way, there wouldn't be any transferable ownership interest, i.e. no separate value. But that could change in a heartbeat. Frankly I oppose the whole idea.

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