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The last 20 years the light at the end of the tunnel was to retire and spend my days fishing and catching Stripers and Blues.

As I crept closer to that date now only a year or two away that light has dimmed signifgantly by pure greed, ignorance and corruption.

It was impossible not to notice the downward spiral the fishery was in (the last 4 years have been dismal at best). It's left me angry and bitter to the coms and greedy recs that take and take with one simple thought. "It's legal". Legal yes, most of the time but not always! Morally and ethicaly right? not In my opinion when things were clearly falling apart. My hope is that common sense wins the day and real permanant protection for the fishery is put in place. 

With any luck I may still be alive and healthy enough to walk the beach and enjoy GOOD fishing again.

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The north vs the south divide was obvious at the 2014 Mystic meeting. I remember some fairly epic whining from one of the MD reps at that meeting. From my impression at that meeting the northern states certainly could have pushed the issues more than they did but were willing to compromise, which seemed reasonable at the time. Clearly looking back it wasn’t a great idea. 

 

That has change this time. 

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1 hour ago, bentstick said:

The last 20 years the light at the end of the tunnel was to retire and spend my days fishing and catching Stripers and Blues.

As I crept closer to that date now only a year or two away that light has dimmed signifgantly by pure greed ignorance and corruption.

It was impossible not to notice the downward spiral the fishery was in (the last 4 years have been dismal at best). It's left me angry and bitter to the coms and greedy recs that take and take with one simple thought. "It's legal". Legal yes, most of the time but not always! Morally and ethicaly right, not In my opinion when things were clearly falling apart. My hope is that common sense wins the day and real permanant protection for the fishery is put in place. 

With any luck I may still be alive and healthy enough to walk the beach and enjoy GOOD fishing again.

Well said 

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On 2/6/2019 at 0:00 PM, Lou T said:

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I don’t see how I’m being a numbnut here. Please explain oh wise ones. Obviously people’s views change as they get older and gain experience. I didn’t mean to be preachy. But looking at my previous post, I see how it seems that way when I haven’t earned your respect yet. But is there something wrong with encouraging better catch and release practices? 

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On 2/5/2019 at 9:32 AM, HugeDinghy said:

that was deep, numbnuts. 

 

 

On 2/6/2019 at 0:00 PM, Lou T said:

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11 hours ago, Shane_O said:

I don’t see how I’m being a numbnut here. Please explain oh wise ones. Obviously people’s views change as they get older and gain experience. I didn’t mean to be preachy. But looking at my previous post, I see how it seems that way when I haven’t earned your respect yet. But is there something wrong with encouraging better catch and release practices? 

You should go back and reread the post, I was applauding you. 

 

Take it up with HugeDinghy

Lou T

 

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I was surprised with the meeting all in all, more accepted the data and were taken back that I expected.  I was hoping to hear some suggestions of reg changes but hte only thing that was suggested would be a seasonal closure which no one wanted.

 

IMO the best action would be to cut the bay down to 1 per person for time being for fish of say 20-28" from May 15-Dec 31 and a closed trophy season. As long as you have 2 fish per person the charters are going to still continue to run 2x a day all summer long with their 8 packs taking limits of fish for months straight.  Cut it to 1 fish and I see charter business declining as people aren't going to spend that kind of $ for 1 fish.  Same with recs, those on the hunt for meat will be less inclined to burn all that fuel and time for a single fish per person.  Cutting the bay down will also reduce that 48% release kill number as I feel there will overall be less people targetting these fish with bait and gut hooking them/mishandling.  It will be people out more for the sport.


hen coastal wide set a slot of maybe 30-34" 1 per person.  At 30" the females will hopefully have been able to spawn once prior to meeting the legal size requirements.  This will stop those boats that go out looking to kill the BIGGEST fish out there for glory, bragging rights, and internet fame.

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On ‎2‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 9:52 AM, 27conch said:

Van Staal business was down 40% last year...40% !!  Want to know why??

Because they're to expensive?

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On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2019 at 10:10 AM, CWitek said:

I think that the big issue is going to be the Chesapeake. 

 

I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that's where a lot of the recreational discard mortality was taking place (there was a big piece on the coast, too, I'm sure, but not on the scale of all of the young fish being killed in the Bay).  And Maryland, in particular, will be very resistant to making any further cuts to its landings.

 

Remember that the Addendum IV cuts did what they were intended to do on the coast.  We still overfished, because no one realized how many fish anglers were really landing, but as far as anyone knew, coastal landings in 2015 and beyond were were cut by 25%--and more.  But landings were not cut at all in the Bay, and in fact increased substantially.  And there is also a lot of summer discard mortality there due to warm water, low oxygen and high air temperatures.  

 

I suspect that, among other things, this may turn out to be a coast vs. Bay fight, with Maryland fighting hard to keep the kill high and much of the coast supporting conservation, but wanting the Bay to do its share this time around.  There will also be the usual harvest vs conservation debate.

 

My gut tells me that on the coast, 32" will probably get the job done, without the need for a season.  I could be wrong, but that would amount to a big cut in landings.  The Bay will be trickier; they're 2 @ 20" there (19" with circle hooks in Maryland), so going to one fish is the first step, and then either size, season or both.

 

The other thing that we have to remember is that in 2017, anglers were responsible for 90% of all fishing mortality (42% in recreational landings, 48% in recreational discards), so folks pushing "gamefish" aren't going to have a leg to stand on.  We are going to be the focus of the change, and discards are going to be under the microscope.  So we need to start thinking along those lines.

How do they come up with the number for 

recreational discards? Seems to be impossible

to get an accurate number.

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5 mins ago, yosco said:

How do they come up with the number for 

recreational discards? Seems to be impossible

to get an accurate number.

There are a lot of delayed mortality studies that have been conducted over the years.  They'll take fish that have been caught, mark them with tags so that they know where they were hooked, when they were caught, etc., and put them in net pens and hold them for a few days to see how many die.  If possible, they'll catch bass by other means, too, and put them in the same pens so that they can get a better idea of whether the mortality is caused by fishing or non-fishing factors.

 

The discards themselves come from the MRIP survey, with the surveyor asking anglers how many fish they let go.  It's probably a little soft, but the killed to released ratio tends to be pretty predictable over the years, with releases declining when fish are few and increasing when fish are plentiful.  The actual number has a confidence interval around it to reflect likely error; the hard figure that's published is just the point estimate within a wider range.

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3 hours ago, Lou T said:

 

 

You should go back and reread the post, I was applauding you. 

 

Take it up with HugeDinghy

Lou T

 

Just did and you’re right, my mistake Lou.

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On 2/7/2019 at 10:37 AM, bentstick said:

The last 20 years the light at the end of the tunnel was to retire and spend my days fishing and catching Stripers and Blues.

As I crept closer to that date now only a year or two away that light has dimmed signifgantly by pure greed, ignorance and corruption.

It was impossible not to notice the downward spiral the fishery was in (the last 4 years have been dismal at best). It's left me angry and bitter to the coms and greedy recs that take and take with one simple thought. "It's legal". Legal yes, most of the time but not always! Morally and ethicaly right? not In my opinion when things were clearly falling apart. My hope is that common sense wins the day and real permanant protection for the fishery is put in place. 

With any luck I may still be alive and healthy enough to walk the beach and enjoy GOOD fishing again.

 

Only a year or two away from retiring?  Start making plans now to move to Florida the day after your retire, and enjoy some quality fishing for the rest of your days.

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Van Staal business, along with a bunch of other manufactures are down because the fishing for striped bass sucks right now.  Name one place along the northeast that has quality surf fishing  for bass right now.  The Cape is over because of the seals. Same thing at Block to a lesser degree but getting worse every year.  Montauk is not very good.  The Vineyard sucked last year.  name a place.  Maybe the canal, maybe??  Less guys are fishing and why purchase new gear if there is nothing to catch.??

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39 mins ago, Shane_O said:

Just did and you’re right, my mistake Lou.

No problem, but before you decide to go after Dinghy look up the meaning of deep. I read it as being insightful having some knowledge on the problem and then dressing it up a bit. So I was agreeing with him as well. You where kinda saying the same thing as I did in my earlier post...:)

 

Take Care

Lou

 

 

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8 mins ago, 27conch said:

Van Staal business, along with a bunch of other manufactures are down because the fishing for striped bass sucks right now.  Name one place along the northeast that has quality surf fishing  for bass right now.  The Cape is over because of the seals. Same thing at Block to a lesser degree but getting worse every year.  Montauk is not very good.  The Vineyard sucked last year.  name a place.  Maybe the canal, maybe??  Less guys are fishing and why purchase new gear if there is nothing to catch.??

 

 

that would be a spot burn...;)

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