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How soon we forget - Striped Bass decline

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12 hours ago, MadWader said:

No surprises here...scientists that are politically motivated for an endowment.

That's not really the issue.

 

The issue is that state fishery administrators are members of the administrative branch of government, ultimately reporting to the governor.  And if the governor's office directs them to take a position, they have no choice but to do so if they want to keep their jobs.  Left on their own, there are more than a few times when they would do something very different.

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21 hours ago, MadWader said:

No surprises here...scientists that are politically motivated for an endowment.

The "scientists" we are talking about the it comes to fisheries management are almost universally employed by the states or federal government.

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On ‎1‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 8:26 AM, CWitek said:

That's not really the issue.

 

The issue is that state fishery administrators are members of the administrative branch of government, ultimately reporting to the governor.  And if the governor's office directs them to take a position, they have no choice but to do so if they want to keep their jobs.  Left on their own, there are more than a few times when they would do something very different.

Broken system. Obviously rarely works toward healthy fish

populations. :banghd:

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On 1/10/2019 at 8:17 PM, MadWader said:

No surprises here...scientists that are politically motivated for an endowment.

The scientists aren't the issue. The last stock assessment was fine. It said there was a problem, and it said what to do about it. We didn't do it because many whined and cried about the economic impacts. So, we did less than we were supposed to and 4 years later things are worse. Is anyone really surprised about that?

 

ASMFC is the problem. They have no obligation to follow the data. Unless they suddenly decide to do the right thing for hte stock vs those that profit of the harvest bass are doomed. Probably not a fast crash but a slow spiral down to winter flounder status.

 

 

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O.K. I got it. '' Poor'' science has nothing to do with a bunch of wannabe board members that just want what is in their own special interests . How do you make them understand what is really happening to the decline in the species ?

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22 hours ago, MadWader said:

O.K. I got it. '' Poor'' science has nothing to do with a bunch of wannabe board members that just want what is in their own special interests . How do you make them understand what is really happening to the decline in the species ?

What folks really need to do--and it is very difficult--is convince the governor and legislator (if the legislator appoints a proxy) to appoint folks who will place emphasis on the long-term health of fish stocks.  Some will be responsive, some won't.  But it's really more a political process than anything else.

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On 1/13/2019 at 1:25 PM, MadWader said:

O.K. I got it. '' Poor'' science has nothing to do with a bunch of wannabe board members that just want what is in their own special interests . How do you make them understand what is really happening to the decline in the species ?

 

Prove that there is more economic value in flourishing fisheries than barely or unsustainable ones.

 

Politicians rarely think about the future, and neither do many of the people they represent. That approach needs to change.

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