BrianBM

The value of Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

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Not to Democrats, or to liberals.  To right-wing posters here. To anonymous Internet trolls everywhere, so long as they lurch rightward towards complete irrationality. 

 

I'm struck by how often right-wing posters bring up people, ideas, movements that are long forgotten by the rest of the planet. The right needs an endless supply of boogeymen, to keep itself motivated.  It isn't remotely enough to manufacture frauds and scams that are contemporaneous (Clinton murdered Vince Foster!  Obama is a Muslim from Indonesia! He was also born in Kenya! Black helicopters on the border!), it's also necessary to find old ones.

 

Saul Alinsky. Anybody remember Saul Alinsky?  Little brings him up now and then, a Satanic figure of community organizing, a man bent on disrupting the status quo in neighborhood organizations (a fearful vision, apparently. The status quo is always good.)  Knight771 mentioned him once or twice, and found it suspicious that I had read something by him (probably "Rules for Radicals"). 

 

Alinsky is quite dead. His notions of organizing are obsolete, made so by the Internet and social media. There is no Alinsky Party, or movement.  This doesn't matter. He lurks ... out there ... on All Hallows Eve, he rises from the crypt to endanger political gerrymandering in Republican states.  A terrifying vision.  There is a natural top-down order, and it should be respected, except for the Freedom Caucus, which was good. Got that? 

 

The "Frankfurt School".  Another ghost from Little's intellectual crypt, I had to look it up. The Frankfurt School, largely based in Frankfurt and Vienna, was a group of Marxist intellectuals who debated how Marxist theory could be improved. They were active in the 1920s and 30s.  I like to read, but must confess I'd never heard of most of them.  The only one I'd ever heard of was Herbert Marcuse, whose attempts to synthesize Marxist and Freudian views in the 1960s drew some chatter in academia. Nobody's heard of it since. Perhaps the Frankfurt School has a place in the history of psychological thinking, but it certainly doesn't exist anywhere else.

 

I draw two conclusions in line with this. First, at some point, even such terrifying figures as Saul Alinsky will fade away, like Blackbeard or Jesse James (both better known now then Alinsky, I'll bet). The Frankfurt school's debates will be as remote as "Free Silver (16 to 1!")  So the right wing will continue to need boogeymen, boogeywomen, by which to stay motivated to keep looking under the bed.

 

Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez is an up-and-coming motivational tool, ready to step in for Alinsky and the Frankfurt School when even the Littles of the coming decades have no idea who Herbert Marcuse was.

She talks of "Democratic socialism," oh the horror!  A figure from (right-wing) nightmares! 

 

My $0.02 on AOC is as follows.

 

1). First, she knows as little of the history of socialism as most right-wing posters here, and shares their need for gross oversimplification. This I infer from her policy opinions, medicare for all and near-unlimited college tuition subsidies; Bernie in a young woman's dress. If that's her idea of socialism, she's not a socialist.

2)  Part of the right-wing hype is about her status as a Leader of a New and Dangerous Leftism.  ....  nonsense.  She made lots of noise and got lots of media attention during this mid-term election. She endorsed a lot of candidates. The true measure of her importance is that the candidates she endorsed ... lost.  

3)  Her status as right-wing boogeywoman has a lot to do with the cultural resentments of the Trump base (older, whiter, more male) to changes in gender roles, at least as much as to her social welfare policies. We have a few posters whose blood foams out their ears at the mention of pink you-know-what hats, who see "radical feminism" as a threat to the Republic, and so on. There's a lot of that around, too. 

4)  The following words have, usually, no objective meaning on this Forum. Marxism, socialism, and "social marxism" are simply catchwords for the sum of all social and political changes in America since the 1950s at least. If the poster doesn't like it, it's marxist, socialist, or social marxism. To be fair, the only person I have noticed using that last one is Little, but it probably has some circulation in the Right.

 

Little, since I've designated you as the Crypt-Keeper of extinct boogeymen, why not give me a well-thought-out response?

 

 

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7 mins ago, J said:

Witless.

Did you know it's possible to write a post without cutting and pasting? It is.  

 

You might try it, now and then. ;)

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4 mins ago, BrianBM said:

RR, you were one of my two candidates for First to Complain about Length of Post. 

From what read of it it’s overstuffed...

 

sonething about race I assume? 

 

 

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5 mins ago, BrianBM said:

RR, you were one of my two candidates for First to Complain about Length of Post. 

Can I be second? 

 

A wise man once said “If if I had more time, I would have written a shorter troll....”

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Brian,   that was a well written post, but way beyond the "debateosphere".  You will not get a cogent response or any serious well articulated response from the littletarian.

 

Boogeymen abound, and they are all socialist hell bent on destroying "Merica".    The Hillary and Obama riffs are writ large in the PG,   and all for naught.    Meh......

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3 mins ago, RiverRaider said:

I’m not reading all that:dismay:

 

can we we get the cliff notes please?

Typical longwinded partisan blather. Not worth the read. 

Imagine the blindness a lefty must have to write this paragraph below, when their own party's whole existence relies on calling people "phobes", "ists" , and screaming Nazi, white nationalists, facists and whatever else.

Funny as there's a thread just below with an Obama quote calling people that dont agree with him "angy, racist and mommy issues" Lol

 

"I'm struck by how often right-wing posters bring up people, ideas, movements that are long forgotten by the rest of the planet. The right needs an endless supply of boogeymen, to keep itself motivated."

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22 mins ago, RiverRaider said:

I’m not reading all that:dismay:

 

can we we get the cliff notes please?

That was a Cliff Notes version. Maybe you lack concentration, or actual interest. :headscratch:

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