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RECOUNTS in Florida

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Looks like both the Senate and Governor races are headed to recounts. Should we expect anything less from Florida? 

 

As of this morning, DeSantis lead GIllum by 39k votes or 0.47% as more Gillum votes came out of Broward County (surprise!). Guess who controls the counting process in Broward County, the same people who brought us the hanging chad. Broward officials are refusing to state how many votes there are to be counted as yet. 

 

Scott leads Nelson by 17,000 for a margin of 0.22%. 

 

Two types of recounts, machine and manual. 

 

Machine is running all the paper ballots again. Florida has 67 counties that have until Noon on Saturday to report unofficial results to the state. There are deadlines of 15Nov and 18Nov but I am not certain as to what they are. 

 

FWIW, there has never been a state-wide manual recount in Florida. Even in 2000, they did not count all the ballots state-wide. 

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3 mins ago, makorider said:

So being far removed from Fla, how likely are these numbers to change?

 

Where's Ballmo?  I need odds here...

Broward County is about as dishonest as they come. EVERY election they drag their feet and seem to “find” ballots along the way. This one is no different. 

 

The numbers will change. Not sure even Betmo can makes good odds on this. 

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15 mins ago, tomkaz said:

Broward County is about as dishonest as they come. EVERY election they drag their feet and seem to “find” ballots along the way. This one is no different. 

 

The numbers will change. Not sure even Betmo can makes good odds on this. 

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23 mins ago, tomkaz said:

Broward County is about as dishonest as they come. EVERY election they drag their feet and seem to “find” ballots along the way. This one is no different. 

 

The numbers will change. Not sure even Betmo can makes good odds on this. 

 

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20 mins ago, PlumFishing said:

Darn. I may have paid up on our bet too soon. Oh well, anything for the fishies. 

I said nice things about you, don’t go Terri it up. 

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7 mins ago, fjr419 said:

DeSantis and Scott probably gain votes after the recount. 

No necessarily, will depend on where they come from. If you assume that “newly found” votes will reflect the official voting in districts, this becomes very geographic specific and then proportional as well. 

 

Broward County voted 69% for Nelson, PB County 58% and Dade County 61%. Any votes coming out of there will benefit Nelson if they hold up to the average. 

 

For Gillum, the numbers were 68, 58 and 60%. See a similarity there. Party-line voters. So, again, Gillum will benefit with every vote counted. 

 

The fascinating thing is that Politico’s maps show all three counties as 100% precincts reported, so where are the votes coming from? 

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11 mins ago, tomkaz said:

No necessarily, will depend on where they come from. If you assume that “newly found” votes will reflect the official voting in districts, this becomes very geographic specific and then proportional as well. 

 

Broward County voted 69% for Nelson, PB County 58% and Dade County 61%. Any votes coming out of there will benefit Nelson if they hold up to the average. 

 

For Gillum, the numbers were 68, 58 and 60%. See a similarity there. Party-line voters. So, again, Gillum will benefit with every vote counted. 

 

The fascinating thing is that Politico’s maps show all three counties as 100% precincts reported, so where are the votes coming from? 

Didn't know that.

 

Is there an ETA for the completion of the recount? Do you think they'll drag it out?

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22 mins ago, tomkaz said:

so where are the votes coming from? 

They were found in someone's car trunk, or trunks if there were more than could fit in the first.

 

There may well have to be a vote count against the voter rolls.

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the scoop : there were alot of voters outside the voting / poll doors leading to the registration / sign in & when the time was up they closed the doors , leaving voters outside not able to vote . I can see it happening we had one senior citizen ( one finger punching the keyboard  taking your info. & you had to talk loud or she was not able to hear you )   so your guided to the correct district sign in sheet  table .    

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10 hours ago, fjr419 said:

DeSantis and Scott probably gain votes after the recount. 

Yes, not if this continues. How is this only impacting one race? From Slate:

 

Florida has retained the championship belt for election shenanigans, as three statewide races could be headed for a recount.

 

The gap between Rick Scott and Bill Nelson, in the election for the latter’s Senate seat, has only continued to narrow. The race was already within the 0.5 percent margin needed to trigger a recount on Wednesday, when Scott had roughly a 35,000-vote lead. That’s been cut in half to about 17,000 as ballots have continued to come in. While Scott is still the favorite to ultimately win, FiveThirtyEight has shifted the race from “likely Republican” to “lean Republican.”

 

One reason for hope for Nelson is that a traditionally Democratic area, Broward County, has so far reported fewer votes for the Senate race compared with the gubernatorial race, according to data compiled by MSNBC’s Steve Kornacki. In other Florida counties, no such discrepancy exists. While some of the discrepancy could be due to genuine undervotes—for instance, the design of the ballot may have led some voters to miss it and not vote in that race—it’s possible that the county hasn’t correctly counted all the ballots. About 24,000 ballots in Broward County registered a vote in the governor’s race but not for the Senate race.

 

The discrepancy with the Senate race tally is consistent down the ballot, with more votes cast in lower-profile races like commissioner of agriculture, chief financial officer, and attorney general than in the Senate race, according to the preliminary county results. As of Thursday afternoon, a total of 675,216 votes had been counted in the Senate race in Broward (466,321 for Nelson and 208,895 for Scott). By comparison, the gubernatorial race had 701,080 cast in Broward, and even the commissioner of agriculture race had 685,440 total votes while the chief financial officer race had 685,017 votes.

 

Democratic election lawyer Marc Elias told the Sun Sentinel that he thinks the undervotes were due to voting machines not detecting genuine votes. “I am pretty confident what you are going to see are markings that were not picked up by the machines or a calibration issue that was not registering that part of the ballot,” he said.

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So.....we are supposed to believe that some poll worker was taking ballots from voters, and placing them inside of boxes, instead of putting them through the machine. Then they carried the box outside of the polling place and put them in the trunk of their car. Then after the results were reported for that location, they drove home with the boxes. Then suddenly, they remember the boxes in their trunk, and come forward with them. 

 

Of of course we should count these ballots.

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