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Compulsory Voting

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Should voting be compulsory?   

 

Support the idea for one simple reason.    If compulsory, instead of State Governments creating roadblocks to voting (polling places have been shuddered : "There Are 868 Fewer Places to Vote in 2016 Because the Supreme Court Gutted the Voting Rights Act" The Nation , Nov 4 2016.   * "Closed voting sites hit minority counties harder for busy midterm elections"   USA Today Oct 30 2018) ,  the opposite would become the norm.   If Compulsory, the government would be compelled to INCREASE voter opportunity (and therby participation as well).  Funding could be offset by fines collected for not voting.  

 

 

 

*     ...“Any time you create additional hoops that voters have to jump through, it hurts – particularly when it affects the poorest, most at-risk, and vulnerable citizens,” said John Powers, counsel for the Voting Rights Project of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law in Washington."   .....

"......In majority-minority urban counties, voters lost an average of seven polling places and more than 200 of the workers who help them cast ballots between 2012 and 2016.

And, the dearth of places to vote was far worse in some big cities. Election administrators in Chicago’s Cook County closed or moved 95 polling places; Los Angeles County closed 88 sites, and Houston’s Harris County eliminated 27.

By contrast, in more than 1,000 counties where 90% or more of the population is white, voters in 2016 lost two polling locations and two workers on average.

The number of voting sites has continued to shrink in 2018, according to election officials, voting rights experts and the publicly-available lists of polling sites for next month’s midterms.

Among the reasons: budget cuts, the struggle to recruit poll workers and shrinking availability of suitable sites to host Election Day voters.Some states are moving toward consolidated “voting centers” that serve larger numbers of
people, but may be spaced further apart – a shift from an era of smaller, nearby local polling places.  The impact of the disappearing and merging voting locations is more likely to challenge voters in urban counties, where more people are poor and are less likely to have vehicles to get themselves to a polling place outside their neighborhood on Election Day...."

 

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What is it with you guys and "compulsory?"  My god.  And where would the power to force people to do THIS derive from?  It is freaking pathological.

 

Citizens are perfectly capable of pushing their local govts to maintain whatever polling stations they're willing to fund by other means.  Whether I vote or not is none of anyone else's business.

 

Lefties...back off.

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7 mins ago, Nessmuk said:

What is it with you guys and "compulsory?"  My god.  And where would that power force people to do THIS derive from?  It is freaking pathological.

 

Citizens are perfectly capable of pushing their local govts to maintain whatever polling stations they're willing to fund by other means.  Whether I vote or not is none of anyone else's business.

 

Lefties...back off.

There are already some "compulsory" requirements here in the U.S.  Selective Service registration,  Education, Jury Duty, taxes, etc..   

 

Why not voting?

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That last bolded part is a bit odd

 

I work in an urban area.  It's full if subways, buses, taxis, ubers,  lyft, trains and even those stupid bicycles you can just grab off the street.  Hell you can pay someone to peddle a bike like a dam rickshaw pretty cheap.

Publuc transportation is kind of a thing in urban areas.  

 

And there are a ton of liberals that will literally drive you and any corpse you can find to a polling place

 

 

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7 mins ago, KnewBee said:

There are already some "compulsory" requirements here in the U.S.  Selective Service registration,  Education, Jury Duty, taxes, etc..   

 

Why not voting?

If anything, there should be more restrictions. Definitely one should be taxpayer status. No vote unless you actually pay taxes. At least $1,000 to weed out the people voluntarily paying a couple of bucks just to vote. 

 

You should only have a say in the game if you have skin in the game. 

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28 mins ago, KnewBee said:

Should voting be compulsory?   

 

Support the idea for one simple reason.    If compulsory, instead of State Governments creating roadblocks to voting (polling places have been shuddered : "There Are 868 Fewer Places to Vote in 2016 Because the Supreme Court Gutted the Voting Rights Act" The Nation , Nov 4 2016.   * "Closed voting sites hit minority counties harder for busy midterm elections"   USA Today Oct 30 2018) ,  the opposite would become the norm.   If Compulsory, the government would be compelled to INCREASE voter opportunity (and therby participation as well).  Funding could be offset by fines collected for not voting.  

 

 

 

*     ...“Any time you create additional hoops that voters have to jump through, it hurts – particularly when it affects the poorest, most at-risk, and vulnerable citizens,” said John Powers, counsel for the Voting Rights Project of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law in Washington."   .....

"......In majority-minority urban counties, voters lost an average of seven polling places and more than 200 of the workers who help them cast ballots between 2012 and 2016.

And, the dearth of places to vote was far worse in some big cities. Election administrators in Chicago’s Cook County closed or moved 95 polling places; Los Angeles County closed 88 sites, and Houston’s Harris County eliminated 27.

By contrast, in more than 1,000 counties where 90% or more of the population is white, voters in 2016 lost two polling locations and two workers on average.

The number of voting sites has continued to shrink in 2018, according to election officials, voting rights experts and the publicly-available lists of polling sites for next month’s midterms.

Among the reasons: budget cuts, the struggle to recruit poll workers and shrinking availability of suitable sites to host Election Day voters.Some states are moving toward consolidated “voting centers” that serve larger numbers of
people, but may be spaced further apart – a shift from an era of smaller, nearby local polling places.  The impact of the disappearing and merging voting locations is more likely to challenge voters in urban counties, where more people are poor and are less likely to have vehicles to get themselves to a polling place outside their neighborhood on Election Day...."

 

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I think it's an excellent idea, the more idiots we can get to vote the better off our country will be. :beers:

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Let me see if I have this logic right.  We already force people to do more than we have any right to, so we may as well force them to do more.

 

Seriously.

 

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Let's just make voting a Facebook app so the complete halftards dont even have to leave their couch

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14 mins ago, Fishy Fisher said:

If anything, there should be more restrictions. Definitely one should be taxpayer status. No vote unless you actually pay taxes. At least $1,000 to weed out the people voluntarily paying a couple of bucks just to vote. 

 

You should only have a say in the game if you have skin in the game. 

There's far more logic in restricting the vote to those who contribute more to the treasury than they're taking, than there is forcing anyone to vote.  The problem of people voting for a government that will mug one class of citizens to pay off the others has been known for hundreds of years.

 

Its exactly where we are right now.  The end result is Venezuela.

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I would consider compulsory voting right after the flat tax is passed.  No tiers.  A flat percentage of gross income.  

You make 1 dollar you pay

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34 mins ago, Fishy Fisher said:

If anything, there should be more restrictions. Definitely one should be taxpayer status. No vote unless you actually pay taxes. At least $1,000 to weed out the people voluntarily paying a couple of bucks just to vote. 

 

You should only have a say in the game if you have skin in the game. 

 

So, lets say you have a kid in college.   You saved and set aside his tuition for years and years.  He is a full time student, has to register for selective service at age 18 but doesn't have a job.   He (or she) can't vote because they don't pay taxes?  (this one is close to home for me).   Old enough to be drafted, eligible to vote, period.  

 

I'm not a fan of the taxpayer requirement.    What about a full time house wife (or house husband) that doesn't pay taxes out of a non existent salary?

 

 

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7 mins ago, eddy said:

there is "early voting" in October.

 

enough of this no place to vote bull ****.

 

 

 

27 States have early voting,   not all of them.

 

 

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