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prototype Black Hole Surf rods

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On 11/4/2018 at 8:51 PM, BrianBM said:

No my curiousity is itching.  What is the advantage of a tip-into-butt design, as opposed to a tip-over-butt design? 

I think you should post this question in the Town Tavern :rav:

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Kilsong, will you make surf rods without the EVA foregrip?  Not only will they be lighter, but as for myself, I like the feel of a thinner grip above the reel.  Looks good so far!

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1 hour ago, staktup said:

Kilsong, will you make surf rods without the EVA foregrip?  Not only will they be lighter, but as for myself, I like the feel of a thinner grip above the reel.  Looks good so far!

You will love new foregrip. :)

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I work a mile away from their presence here in NJ and had a distinct pleasure of visiting them in person few years ago. Very friendly folx, and stuff they had ... oh my .... IIRC some JDM stuff there too.

 

Owner is a legend for his tuna trips, esp around PEI

 

Anyway, if jig'n'pop looking for testers, I will gladly volunteer... can pick up one of those rods today, to save on shippin cost :)

 

While 50/50 split is more practical for transport, 2 butt:3 tip is better for casting, you can get a better loading of the rod by not having that sudden change of elasticity due to joint.

 

 

 

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On ‎11‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 9:38 PM, r111 said:

While 50/50 split is more practical for transport, 2 butt:3 tip is better for casting, you can get a better loading of the rod by not having that sudden change of elasticity due to joint.

 

 

 

The rod designer is reluctant to make 50:50 split.  We are going to introduce 40;60 split first.

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Kil,

Compared to the East Coast Special rods / blanks, what are the differences, say comparing 10' and 11' light East Coast Specials, to the new 10' and 10'6" rods? (length aside of course)

 

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1 hour ago, ZAFisher said:

Kil,

Compared to the East Coast Special rods / blanks, what are the differences, say comparing 10' and 11' light East Coast Specials, to the new 10' and 10'6" rods? (length aside of course)

 

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much thinner diameter of the blank.

They have probably the thinnest diameter on the market.

The rods are designed for striper or drum, not for tuna.

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comparison butt diameter of 10'6" new Black Hole Surf rated 3/4 oz - 4 oz and 10' Black Hole East Coast Surf rod rated 3/4 oz - 4 oz
 
Traditional surf rods have their own place, But I am very happy to see such thin diameter of butt section as many anglers prefer thin diameter surf rods.
We are not in a hurry.  We are going to test the new surf rods extensively to see everything is fine.
 
 

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Guys and girls, i will be field testing the new promo- rod 10'6" 2-6oz. i will get back to report sometime next week, as i want to put this rod through some tough testing,  including jetty rock piles,,,and also test, lower end rating lure rating 1oz. to the 6 oz. rating.....

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I met our Black Hole USA pro staff Lydia and Mike Basnite in Florida this morning. They like the new prototype Black Hole USA rod immediately for its light weight. thin diameter as well as casting ability. We are going to test the rod for big drum tonight 

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I cast with 5 oz sinker and big green crab using the 10'6" Black Hole USA surf rod rated 3/4 oz  - 4 oz and I can cast far.

That is the same rod I cast with 3 - 4 oz poppers for yellowtail in Korea.

I plan to fish sea trout in NC on the way up using 3/4 oz - 1 oz lure for the rod.

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On 11/4/2018 at 9:00 PM, ksong said:

The major advantage of tip-into butt design is the balanced rod. It tends tip section become heavy when you use tip-over butt.

The other advantage is the joint is much more secured.

Tip-over-butt tends to come off or twist easily.

They say the tip-into-butt is stronger and cast farther.

All high end Japanese and Korean popping rods have tip-into butt as they firmly believe above.

In fact, there is no disadvantage of the tip-into-butt compared with the tip-over butt. But American anglers used to use the rods for long. 

 

 

 

 

Most of the female side of the rod that is excepting the male end have some rod winding on it to give the end doing the excepting strength. It is about a half to an inch long and finished with the same epoxy that they finish the eyes winding with. So what I do is wind about four inches to the female end to give the rod additional strength at that area...

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