kross57 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 Roger that!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Riddler Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, kross57 said: Hey Riddler, this is just my translation, but it seems they consider you just a fly speck on the windshield. This time, anyway. I'm the one they are after. Lucky you! lol I had you wrong kross...I have to go sink in the same ship as you. You’re all I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Riddler Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, kinghong1970 said: Riddler, i think Ship was talking more about the direction the thread has gone to... i think we're way beyond defining "niche" and it's clear, we are talking about multiple definitions of "niche" and you're right, snowboard, niche to mainstream, skateboard too... surfing... etch... there are always the leaders in industry... and i enjoyed reading your poured plastic threads too... The post I made was the observation of niche. Not just what ship wrote. Its the biggest load of crap I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross57 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 4 mins ago, The Riddler said: I had you wrong kross...I have to go sink in the same ship as you. You’re all I got. Poor b*stard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Riddler Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 hours ago, kross57 said: Poor b*stard. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon I Posted August 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 Well I have been very touched by the blossoming relationship between you two. Seriously, like ...I have a renewed hope for peace in Gaza after seeing this. This is just absolutely beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross57 Posted August 31, 2018 Report Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 min ago, Jon I said: Well I have been very touched by the blossoming relationship between you two. Seriously, like ...I have a renewed hope for peace in Gaza after seeing this. This is just absolutely beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon I Posted September 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 Here's another vid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kross57 Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 I really like the sacrificial stern piece. Wish they had one on the bow as well. With the soft Hobie plastic, it needed that. I don't like the new rudder at all. It is so exposed, even with that strange Outback loader thingy. The old flip up rudder was such a nice feature. Is it cheaper to make? I don't see any benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfinator Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 Sold my PA12 today..It was my first kayak so I learned a lot about what I did and didn't need. In the market again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 42 mins ago, Surfinator said: Sold my PA12 today..It was my first kayak so I learned a lot about what I did and didn't need. In the market again! So with what you’ve learned, what are you gonna buy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surfinator Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) SOMETHING LIGHT!! lol No arm rests on the seat. Something that I can paddle if I need to. I dont need much storage. I would have gotten the Outback but I thought I wanted something I could stand in. Even though I fly fish a lot I didn't feel the need to have to stand so thats not a big deal this time around. Edited September 1, 2018 by Surfinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gellfex Posted September 1, 2018 Report Share Posted September 1, 2018 I can't figure something out. 30 years ago when I got into WW, there were 1/2 dozen US makers of glass only boats, and this was when they were 12-14' long, not tiny like today. It was a relatively small but active niche. How come there's not a single maker of glass SOTs (except possibly OnWater) and certainly no maker of pedals. It would not be at all technically hard to built a light glass boat to receive a commercially available pedal drive. The great thing about glass is that you can put more where it needs to be, like around the drive well. It does not require heavy equipment, I knew a guy who did it in his garage for chuckles, his day job was psychiatrist! It's strange. If I cared as much as Riddler, who spends an impressive amount on boats, I'd take a paddle hull I liked like a Prowler, pull a mold, modify it for pedals, and cast me a fast, narrow, low pedal kayak. What I might do for chuckles is turn my unused Pescador 12 into a sidewheeler pedal boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baitbucket Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 On 9/1/2018 at 5:05 PM, Surfinator said: SOMETHING LIGHT!! lol No arm rests on the seat. Something that I can paddle if I need to. I dont need much storage. I would have gotten the Outback but I thought I wanted something I could stand in. Even though I fly fish a lot I didn't feel the need to have to stand so thats not a big deal this time around. Same here man. Sold my Outback last year due to its sheer weight. Car topping that thing was ridiculous and proved to be a deterrent. Many a time i would find myself with a couple free hours. In the past, i wouldnt think twice and toss my yak on the roof and go. With the Outback, id find myself saying "i dont want to have to deal with loading/unloading that thing". Dont get me started on the guys who buy a trailer for their KAYAK lol. Buy a boat if you're going to trailer it. You can get a nice used one for the same money or less than a new Hobie.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bantis Posted September 4, 2018 Report Share Posted September 4, 2018 28 mins ago, Baitbucket said: Same here man. Sold my Outback last year due to its sheer weight. Car topping that thing was ridiculous and proved to be a deterrent. Many a time i would find myself with a couple free hours. In the past, i wouldnt think twice and toss my yak on the roof and go. With the Outback, id find myself saying "i dont want to have to deal with loading/unloading that thing". Dont get me started on the guys who buy a trailer for their KAYAK lol. Buy a boat if you're going to trailer it. You can get a nice used one for the same money or less than a new Hobie.. Say what you will about trailers, but I got mine for under 300 and I only need to lift my outback up to my hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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