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Hobie owner survey

Hobie owners warranty claim survey due to cracked hull.    61 members have voted

  1. 1. As an owner of a Hobie kayak, have you ever experienced a hull crack on a 2009 to most recent Hobie kayak and filed a warranty claim? (If 4 or more Hobies owned answer 3 kayaks closest to your percentage.)

    • Yes, I have (1 hobie kayak)
      6
    • No, I have not (1 hobie kayak)
      29
    • Yes, I have (2 hobie kayaks)
      4
    • No, I have not (2 hobie kayaks)
      11
    • Yes, I have (1 hobie kayak) no, I have not (1 hobie kayak)
      0
    • Yes, I have (3 hobie kayaks)
      0
    • No, I have not (3 hobie kayaks)
      11
    • Yes, I have (1 hobie kayak) no, I have not (2 hobie kayaks)
      0
    • Yes, I have (2 hobie kayaks) no, I have not (1 hobie kayak)
      0

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12 hours ago, fusioneng said:

I think the survey should count all hobies owned,  we have owned 8 hobies over the years and never had a mirage crack, actually never had any issues with any of our boats, they are really well built and in our experience Hobie stands behind all their stuff very well, we are very happy.  We probably used our boats 10 x more than most, in some pretty extreme offshore stuff, (we live in sw florida and the keys, and are out year round every weekend).  All our TI's (we owned 3 of them) were massively modified with giant sailsets, (250 sq ft) and modified to go way faster than stock, and in much harsher conditions (CE 'C' conditions), with twin big ole outboards, (for far offshore safety).  Never had any issues with the hulls, (even at 20 mph sailing speeds).  

We pretty much only use the Eclipse Flow-90 fins on our boats, which require much more pedaling force, (but provide useful pedal propulsion up to 12 mph, (the regular turbo fins give up the ghost at 8 mph, (which was below our normal cruise speed of 10 mph).

10 mph cruise and 12 mph max on those hulls would seem to defy the laws of hydrodynamics, but I wasn't there, so I can't say.  I am told that the fastest sprint kayakers, in ultra efficient hulls  do  about 12 to 13 mph on short courses so my skepticism remains

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8 hours ago, bantis said:

 

 

So with that being said, I am very attune analyzing peoples claims.  Throughout this thread I have not projected any bias opinions, I simply analyzed the data and highlighted points where our numbers get skewed.  Its important people understand the information they are looking at.

For all that, you're not really doing well with basic statistics. Self reported numbers can't be translated into statistically significant data, so you can't use them to make generalizations about populations. And personal impressions are anything but scientific. 

 

 Ironically the data that you did collect on face value would actually suggest that Hobie kayaks have more failures that the company reports. Somehow you add unproven assumptions about use patterns and somehow suggest that things really aren't that bad.

 

Ignoring the raw data, and then "highlighting points where numbers get skewed" is by definition "bias"

Edited by Santiago II

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8 hours ago, Santiago II said:

10 mph cruise and 12 mph max on those hulls would seem to defy the laws of hydrodynamics, but I wasn't there, so I can't say.  I am told that the fastest sprint kayakers, in ultra efficient hulls  do  about 12 to 13 mph on short courses so my skepticism remains

I wouldn't worry about it. Fusioneng is famous for making all kinds of crazy claims. Did you notice his sailing speed in his hobie is 20 mph? He should sign up for the America's Cup. He seems to live in a fantasy world.

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25 mins ago, kross57 said:

I wouldn't worry about it. Fusioneng is famous for making all kinds of crazy claims

Hes only had 1 post ................ famous from another site maybe? :shrug:

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9 hours ago, Santiago II said:

10 mph cruise and 12 mph max on those hulls would seem to defy the laws of hydrodynamics, but I wasn't there, so I can't say.  I am told that the fastest sprint kayakers, in ultra efficient hulls  do  about 12 to 13 mph on short courses so my skepticism remains

Tandem island max speed is around the 12mph mark.  Google it before trying to call people out.

 

Heres a video someone shared with a self recorded 12.8mph top speed.

 

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28 mins ago, bantis said:

Tandem island max speed is around the 12mph mark.  Google it before trying to call people out.

 

Heres a video someone shared with a self recorded 12.8mph top speed.

 

Why are you always so completely wrong? I mean, is it just a lack of reading skills or what?

 

Fusioneng claimed a PEDALING speed of 12 mph. His SAILING speed claim is 20 mph. Both are ridiculous, as you confirmed. 

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38 mins ago, BillZ said:

Hes only had 1 post ................ famous from another site maybe? :shrug:

Yeah, he's a legend in his own mind.

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54 mins ago, bantis said:

Tandem island max speed is around the 12mph mark.  Google it before trying to call people out.

 

Heres a video someone shared with a self recorded 12.8mph top speed.

 

I think Kross pretty much summed it up, but that's a sail, not a pedal drive.

 

Also, it's self reported.

 

Sustained 10-12 mph is beyond the capability of the average rec kayak unless you self report while paddling with a 6 knot current.

 

 

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Oops!

 

 

"So with that being said, I am very attune analyzing peoples claims.  Throughout this thread I have not projected any bias opinions, I simply analyzed the data and highlighted points where our numbers get skewed.  Its important people understand the information they are looking at."

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There is no way a normal person can ride the mirage drive at 10 mph in average conditions. I can kill myself and do 4.5-5 mph for a little while - I don't see how that system can handle 10-12 mph speeds. Maybe the guy was talking about mirage and sail together.

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1 hour ago, Jeffz1 said:

Oops!

 

 

"So with that being said, I am very attune analyzing peoples claims.  Throughout this thread I have not projected any bias opinions, I simply analyzed the data and highlighted points where our numbers get skewed.  Its important people understand the information they are looking at."

English as a second language? lol

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I want to see the video of the 12 knot peddler.  Slappy has run marathons.  He is fast but he is not 12 knot fast.

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1 hour ago, tj7501 said:

There is no way a normal person can ride the mirage drive at 10 mph in average conditions. I can kill myself and do 4.5-5 mph for a little while - I don't see how that system can handle 10-12 mph speeds. Maybe the guy was talking about mirage and sail together.

Same here. Those are my numbers in a revo 13.  Not bad for a fat guy.,

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2 hours ago, Santiago II said:

I think Kross pretty much summed it up, but that's a sail, not a pedal drive.

 

Also, it's self reported.

 

Sustained 10-12 mph is beyond the capability of the average rec kayak unless you self report while paddling with a 6 knot current.

 

 

Curious;

 

Couldn't find the 12.8 self recorded speed in the video description or elsewhere, where did that number come from anyway? .......

 

Listened to the vid 2x  and the only human sound i heard is the guy coughing 2 times, never said a word throughout the entire thing, never saw a shot of a gps speed either.....  someone see this number somewhere other than Mr bantis writing it???

 

Maybe i missed it? :huh:

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I picked up a 16 over the winter and spent a lot of time in it since then. It's fast, but 12mph sounds extremely hard to believe. I've seen 7mph once with wind at my back sliding down a swell in following seas.

 

Those eclipse flow fins pique my interest though. Will have to look more into that. 

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