tomkaz

Narrative Torpedo: House GOP Seeks Vote on Bill Seeking to Abolish ICE

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The Hill is reporting that House Republicans are going to bring the Democrats’ abolish ice bill to the floor for a vote. The Establishing a Humane Immigration Enforcement System Act was introduced yesterday by three Democrats. It has the support of Sanders, Fauchahontas and the Dems’ new darling, AOC. 

 

A recent Politico poll showed only 25% of Americans want to see ICE abolished with a clear majority favoring keeping it. It is clearly a losing proposition for Dems, but some of their backbenchers just can’t help themselves. 

 

And with all the hysterical Media coverage, immigration issues have risen to the top of voters’ concerns. 

 

This seems like another in a long list of narrative torpedoes that seem to keep coming back on those who fired them, which is almost always the Dem/Lib/Prog/Media types. 

 

So exit question: Will sober and/or red-state Dems come out publicly against this bill? 

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I just hope republicans have the guts to actually do it

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3 hours ago, Little said:

I just hope republicans have the guts to actually do it

Oh, I think they are going to do it, possible this coming week. From VOX:

 

Democrats aren’t ready to actually vote for an “Abolish ICE” bill

Democrats: Abolish ICE! Republicans: Let’s vote on it. Democrats: Uhhhh...

Ella NilsenJul 13, 2018, 1:40pm EDT

 

For the first time in years, House Democrats are getting the chance to vote on a Democrat-sponsored immigration bill — and they are planning to vote against it.

House Republican leaders said they would bring up a vote for a contentious “Abolish ICE” bill proposed by three progressive Democrats — Reps. Mark Pocan (D-WI), Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), and Adriano Espaillat (D-NY) — knowing it would put the minority party in a difficult position. Republicans know Abolish ICE is divisive for Democrats, so they’re taking the most left-wing proposal out there and putting it up for a vote. 

 

Progressive Democrats never thought their messaging bill, which would have disbanded Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency within a year, would make it to the floor. They didn’t try to build a coalition around it or even reach out to parts of the Democratic conference, Jayapal said. Now, they are trying to find a way to match Republican gamesmanship.

 

“It’s very important that the Democrats be united on this and not let the Republicans score cheap politics points,” Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) told Vox. “My hope is we will all vote the same way and use this to make the points about what can be done to improve border security.”

 

The debate around whether to vote for this bill is an early test of the Democratic Party’s increasingly left-leaning policy platform — and so far, Democratic lawmakers are splintering on the issue. The majority of Americans oppose eliminating ICE and for now, Democrats seem like they will unify against the bill.

 

The Congressional Hispanic Caucus has already come out against the proposal, and the progressive lawmakers who wrote the bill have said they won’t vote in favor of it, instead using the floor time to make public statements on Trump’s immigration policy.

 

“We force that conversation, we take that hour, we have that conversation and then we’ll all vote no on it, because we’re all clear that it’s not a serious attempt to do anything,” Jayapal said. 

 

As Democrats look to take back control of the House, they will be tasked with developing a unified position on immigration. The scrambling around the Abolish ICE bill shows Democrats have a lot more work to do.

 

Democrats weren’t ready to be taken seriously on Abolish ICE

 

The Establishing a Humane Immigration Enforcement System Act, was supposed to be another messaging bill on immigration. With Democrats in the minority in both the House and Senate, Republicans have not entertained any Democratic proposals on the issue.

 

So it was a surprise to everyone when Republican leadership announced it was going to put the bill up for a vote — clearly a strategy to put Democrats on the spot and get them to show their cards.

 

Confronting Democrats with an imminent vote on their most left-wing immigration proposal did exactly what Republicans wanted. It created a deep divide among the Democratic caucus because few people had seen the bill text or had gotten outreach from the authors.

 

The divide was most noticeable among the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, whose members were fuming for not being approached or consulted before the bill text was released, according to Politico’s Heather Caygle. 

 

Even though two CHC members — Espaillat and Rep. Nydia Velázquez, both of New York — were co-sponsors of the bill, the group came out forcefully against the legislation.

 

“Simply terminating ICE fails to address President Trump’s underlying cruel immigration policies and priorities that target families and children,” said CHC chair Michelle Lujan Grisham (D-NM) in a statement. “The CHC is committed to holding ICE accountable and will continue to work tirelessly to reunite and protect separated families and pass legislation to permanently protect DREAMers.”

 

“I think everybody in the caucus is united around the fact that the abuses of children in cages and families being separated,” Jayapal said. “It’s shone the light on how much of a rogue agency this is.”

 

Both Jayapal and Pocan made it clear they are going to take this opportunity of the floor vote to hammer the Trump administration on its hardline immigration policies.......

 

But support for Abolish ICE as an actual policy idea isn’t as clear-cut. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has called for “an immediate and fundamental overhaul” of the agency but stopped short of saying it should be disbanded altogether. Even Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) came under fire for initially dodging the idea. He eventually came out in support of abolishing and restructuring the current ICE agency. 

 

So now, Republicans are trying to spin the Abolish ICE message as a radical liberal overreach. They know it’s an unpopular slogan nationally; according to a recent survey by Morning Consult/Politico, 54 percent of Americans are against abolishing ICE.

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The error to get this bad genie back in the bottle is afoot which means the narrative torpedo is homing in on its source. 

Eric Holder: Calls to abolish ICE are 'a gift to Republicans'

Former Attorney General Eric Holder said Friday that the growing calls from Democrats to abolish U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) are a "gift" to Republicans.

"I don’t think that substantively or politically that makes a great deal of sense," Holder, who served under former President Obama, told host Chuck Todd on MSNBC's "MTP Daily."

“In some ways, you're giving the Republicans a gift by saying we're going to have a debate now about whether ICE Should be abolished."

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14 hours ago, tomkaz said:

 

“It’s very important that the Democrats be united on this and not let the Republicans score cheap politics points,” Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) told Vox. “My hope is we will all vote the same way and use this to make the points about what can be done to improve border security.”

 

 

IMprove border security?  Wait, is that in the Democrat proposals?  Sniff .   Sniff...

 

IS she alluding to a structure?  A... a...  wall?

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4 mins ago, 55555s said:

 

IMprove border security?  Wait, is that in the Democrat proposals?  Sniff .   Sniff...

 

IS she alluding to a structure?  A... a...  wall?

There IS an argument to be made about restricting ICE AFTER a wall has been built and border crossings are significantly curtailed. Are the Dems ready for that part of the argument? 

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Torpedoes are fun entertainment when the safeguards have been deactivated and they circle back. 

 

I'll enjoy watching this one for sure. 

 

Seems like a great way to highlight the foolishness of the left. Exposing them with their own idiotic ideas will be most effective. 

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1 hour ago, 55555s said:

 

IMprove border security?  Wait, is that in the Democrat proposals?  Sniff .   Sniff...

 

IS she alluding to a structure?  A... a...  wall?

Ah um ...cutting the grass...

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