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Onfirst sequence where Andrew Moy does an oval cast 1 Drift can be considered as Drift too but it is needed to make the Oval back cast line loop coming reversed.

 

1B. and 2B. are called Translation or Drag which makes line tight but also slightly increase setup kinetic energy which is beneficial to heavier rod. When caster moves whole body it is best done this phase too.

 

3B begins the rotation and 4B is finish.

 

Esa

 

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Finally got big fly videos done and uploaded. 

 

My casting technique is not perfect, far from it, but you get the idea. Basically it is exactly the same as your typical three movement cast except you cannot effectively aerial roll a big fly. Instead, you go right into the backcast after the unplugging movement, false cast, back cast, and shoot. Sometimes you will need one extra false cast. You have to shoot line fore and aft to get the cast away quickly. It is even more critical to get a straight clean back cast with these flies because they take a lot more line energy to cast than even a 6-7" deceiver type fly. 

 

The fly in this video is on a 7/0 monster worm hook and a full 13" long. A big chartreuse/yellow/white bunker fly. Line delivering it is 550 grains. It worked better than I expected but the more weight the better, and you need a SERIOUSLY powerful rod to match it. When these flies get wet the weight they add to the cast is significant. If your rod is even slightly overloaded you will have a bad time. You need line speed and lots of it. A slow cast will not deliver these flies very well especially into a headwind. 

 

A faster sinking head is harder to start the cast with but ends up further more easily because of reduced air resistance. I can throw my 13" musky flies which are VERY heavily dressed past 100' with my 750 grain rod and a type 5 or faster sinking head. 

 

 

 

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Friends,

 

Last spring on Cape Cod, some of you saw my version of Redgreen’s PacBay 13’ build.  Consensus seemed to be that I had done a decent job with the build, thanks in large part to guidance and advice from Mike Oliver and Redgreen.

 

So, last night, after catching stripers on a Rhode Island beach under a 12-14 knot breeze in the forward quarter of my casting side, I was cruising home on US1, and began scheming for some time off of work to hit what I’ve been preparing for all along: wetsuit fishing a November run of decent stripers and gator blues.  At that moment, i looked up through my windshield and noticed my rod WAS NOT THERE ON THE ROOF RACK!  Yes, folks, I put it on the rack but neglected to strap it down.  After much searching, it’s gone, totally gone, reel, custom line, and all.  I am not the sort who owns five versions of every piece of fishing gear, so this is a real bummer.  I am back to the SH 9 wt that caused 8 months of elbow problems for me last year.  

 

Damn !

 

Damn !

 

Moving on and getting to the point, I’ll be bugging those who will listen once again for tips and advice on another painstaking build, if I can find the time and stomach the thought of doing it again.

 

J.

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2 mins ago, JfromRI said:

Friends,

 

Last spring on Cape Cod, some of you saw my version of Redgreen’s PacBay 13’ build.  Consensus seemed to be that I had done a decent job with the build, thanks in large part to guidance and advice from Mike Oliver and Redgreen.

 

So, last night, after catching stripers on a Rhode Island beach under a 12-14 knot breeze in the forward quarter of my casting side, I was cruising home on US1, and began scheming for some time off of work to hit what I’ve been preparing for all along: wetsuit fishing a November run of decent stripers and gator blues.  At that moment, i looked up through my windshield and noticed my rod WAS NOT THERE ON THE ROOF RACK!  Yes, folks, I put it on the rack but neglected to strap it down.  After much searching, it’s gone, totally gone, reel, custom line, and all.  I am not the sort who owns five versions of every piece of fishing gear, so this is a real bummer.  I am back to the SH 9 wt that caused 8 months of elbow problems for me last year.  

 

Damn !

 

Damn !

 

Moving on and getting to the point, I’ll be bugging those who will listen once again for tips and advice on another painstaking build, if I can find the time and stomach the thought of doing it again.

 

J.

Wow J,   So sorry to hear that.    More than a bummer for sure.    If there can be a bright side the season is just about finished so not as bad as if it happened a couple of months ago but not much consolation either.    If you enjoyed the last build then something to look forward to this winter.    I still have another Mike O blank I need to build that I've had since the spring that I've yet to start so looking forward to that this winter.    Good chance to correct or improve your technique..... look for a silver lining.

 

HT

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Jason,

 

I can't tell you how sorry I am to hear about that. Bummer is one word for it for sure though I know I'd have a lot more colorful ones for it. Damn. That really hurts. 

 

I'd of course be more than willing to help out with the next build and do whatever I can. I don't post much really anymore but I'm reading most posts and readily available if you need me. 

 

Edit:

I somehow didn't read the line where you said you forgot to strap it down. That really really hurts. 

 

Really sorry for your loss Jason. 

Edited by RedGreen

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JfromRI I know how ya feel because I lost over a grand in equipment from a defective roof rack. I am a  neophyte when it comes to DH overhead flyrodding  but on Esa's  suggestion I purchased a 11 FT  NGT dynamic travel carp rod. I haven't rebuilt it yet so I am still using the stock carps guides but added a Fuji plate type reel seat and made a makeshift handle with some foam covering the reel seat and build up wraps of friction tape with a final wrap of self fusing silicone tape. Works good with a cheap Chinese 640 grain Skagit head and a 40  lb Berkeley Big Game mono shooting line. So you could get back in the game cheap and quickly for the fall fishing and use it until you build a better one or maybe you might like it and rebuild it with a decent handle and fly guides. Might even splurge for an Alvey reel and chuck the shooting basket and find out for myself if Alveys cause unacceptable line twists.

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J,  that is an awful situation.  My friend and I lost gear overboard this season but got very lucky.  My friend hired a commercial diver and they found all our gear after being under water for 48 hours.  I was hoping you were going to find it as I read through your story.  

 

 

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Thanks all, and thanks for the quick fix suggestion flyrad10.  Gannets are already over head here in Rhode Island and air temp was 34 F on the beach today, but I've seen bass seasons continue here into December.  Either way, looks like I'll be doing without the TH option until I can build another one this winter. 

 

J.

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We could start a whole thread on rods flying from racks, I'm sure. (Surf boards too, in my case.) My inexpensive 5w flew off the car, I had laid it on top, no rack, just for a spot to lay it out of the dirt. heard it happen and turned around ASAP. I was driving back and I saw a truck run it over. Ouch! Gone.

 

We share your pain. 

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Was at the Edison Fly Fishing show today and spoke with rod manufacturers. We need them to make some factory two handers suitable for overhead but doesn’t appear to be anything in the works. Century has some new beefy fly rods but not two handers although some of their surf blanks may be suitable for a build. I’m just not qualified to do an actual build. My cheap Daiwa Emcast conversion came out pretty good but it only involved a new reel seat, heat wrap and parachord handle and a taped on stripper guide. 
 

I’ve had a Beulah Opal and have a gLoomis cross current specialized but they just aren’t stout enough to really throw heavy lines and big flies overhead into wind.

 

I think a factory rod would sell if someone would make one.

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3 hours ago, Stripsettter said:

Was at the Edison Fly Fishing show today and spoke with rod manufacturers. We need them to make some factory two handers suitable for overhead but doesn’t appear to be anything in the works. Century has some new beefy fly rods but not two handers although some of their surf blanks may be suitable for a build. I’m just not qualified to do an actual build. My cheap Daiwa Emcast conversion came out pretty good but it only involved a new reel seat, heat wrap and parachord handle and a taped on stripper guide. 
 

I’ve had a Beulah Opal and have a gLoomis cross current specialized but they just aren’t stout enough to really throw heavy lines and big flies overhead into wind.

 

I think a factory rod would sell if someone would make one.

I love my T&T TH OH rods, but fully understand why people cannot afford the price tag.

 

I am working on two different rod companies for an affordable model.  I am taking some key players at each company out in the surf this season and showing them why its such a great option for the shore bound fly angler.  Hoping to convert at least one of them. Both companies could offer rods in the $250-350 range.  Cannot say any more about it as it may never amount to anything.

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15 hours ago, The Graveyard Shift said:

I love my T&T TH OH rods, but fully understand why people cannot afford the price tag.

 

I am working on two different rod companies for an affordable model.  I am taking some key players at each company out in the surf this season and showing them why its such a great option for the shore bound fly angler.  Hoping to convert at least one of them. Both companies could offer rods in the $250-350 range.  Cannot say any more about it as it may never amount to anything.

I checked out the T&T excocett at the show. Really nice rod but seems similar to the GLoomis 11’3” Crosscurrent specialized that I have which is shorter and less stout than what I have in mind as a two hander for the surf. I cast 550 grains on it and that’s probably a bit much and I only get a little more distance than my single hand rods. Looking for 12 ft plus that can cast 700+ grain lines 100feet with one backcast 
 

Glad to hear you’re working with some rod manufacturers! Hope we get a factory option or two 

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44 mins ago, Stripsettter said:

I checked out the T&T excocett at the show. Really nice rod but seems similar to the GLoomis 11’3” Crosscurrent specialized that I have which is shorter and less stout than what I have in mind as a two hander for the surf. I cast 550 grains on it and that’s probably a bit much and I only get a little more distance than my single hand rods. Looking for 12 ft plus that can cast 700+ grain lines 100feet with one backcast 
 

Glad to hear you’re working with some rod manufacturers! Hope we get a factory option or two 

475-500 grains is what I throw on the 12wt.  I am not going for distance over 100' as I fish in the dark.  50-90' is my sweet spot with minimal false casting.  

 

Honestly other than fishing the first 6 hrs of a big storm I did not find I needed more grains than 500.  Any other wind conditions were easy out to 90' with my 12wt.  

 

It sounds like you are looking more for a distance/wind solution in the 100-150' casting range with 700 grains plus

 

I would agree a competent single hand caster with a 9' 12wt can cast just as far as the TH 11'2" exocett surf.  The biggest difference is not casting distance its casting effort.  TH OH I can throw continuous blind casts for 6 hours into 10-14mph wind with almost no fatigue.  If I did that with a SH 12wt I would be really sore the following day and in my case its particularly bad because of all my shoulder injuries.  Someone with less injuries would fare better, but would still be feeling it the next day.  TH you can fish multiple days in a row hard with limited fatigue.

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