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I just read that the security guard was shot by the LV gunman 6 minutes before he opened fire on the crowd below.  Did anyone else see this?  Something doesn't add up. Possible cover-up?  Bad report?  More to follow.

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It makes sense and it means that Paddock got a lot less time to work than he was planning on.  The guard just happened to be investigating something unrelated outside of the killer's room.  Paddock spotted him and opened fire before he was intending to start shooting.  That thankfully bought some time for the crowd.

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It was reported the guard was responding to the sound of a drill. 

 

In any case, why did it take a week for this info to come out?

What else is being held back or hidden from the public? 

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LA Times offers the following details. One question I would have: If shooter had eyes on hallway and noted a single guard, why did he unload 200 rounds into the hallways? Prsubably through the door, 200 rounds of even 5.56 could have an impact on structural integrity. That's 2x100 mags or 6x30, quite a few rounds and those alone would have filled the suite with smoke and astringent fumes. Strange. 

 

Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concertgoers, police reveal

 

Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.

 

Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest Festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m. and left 58 people dead, with hundreds more injured.

 

They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.

 

But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now didn’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.

Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police said Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.

 

Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.

 

In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.

 

Police were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police implied in previously describing the timeline. Paddock had killed himself by the time officers entered the room, they said.

 

In a news conference Wednesday, Lombardo said it was his “assumption” that Paddock stopped his shooting spree because the gunman, using his spy cameras, “observed the security guard, and he was in fear that he was about to be breached, so he was doing everything possible to figure out how to escape at that point.”

 

In another news conference last week, Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said Campos "had notified his dispatch, which was absolutely critical to us, knowing the location, as well as advising the responding officers as they arrived.”

 

But on Monday, the timeline changed.

 

“Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said at a Monday news conference.

 

Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said. He didn’t say whether Campos notified casino security after he was shot.

 

A police spokesperson did not immediately respond to several follow-up questions from the Los Angeles Times seeking clarification on the new timeline.

 

Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

 

Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

 

After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said.

 

Representatives for the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and the union representing the hotel’s security guards did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

 

Lombardo said investigators still had not uncovered a motive for Paddock’s attack and had found “zero” evidence of a second gunman. Investigators said Paddock was not seen with anyone before the attack.

Lombardo also revised the date on which police believe Paddock checked into Mandalay Bay. While initially they said he had checked in on Sept. 28, three days before the shooting, they now believe he checked in on Sept. 25.

 

They continue to believe he was operating without a partner.

 

Lombardo said investigators had compiled 200 “instances” of Paddock moving around Las Vegas before the attack, and he was always alone.

 

The sheriff also revealed that Paddock had started drilling a hole next to the door of his suite, but the drilling apparently was not completed, and officials weren’t sure what the hole was for.

Lombardo said investigators had found “some evidence of medications” used by Paddock but declined to give any more information.

 

Authorities have begun returning personal items to those who left them behind when fleeing the concert grounds. Clark County Deputy Fire Chief John Steinbeck said 99 people came Sunday to retrieve items from the Family Assistance Center at the Las Vegas Convention Center.

 

By late afternoon Monday, a slow trickle of people entered the heavily guarded doors of the center — some arriving on crutches and wearing bandages. A few emerged carrying bags or wheeling suitcases away into the parking lot.

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Sorry if I missed the explanation for this,  but I keep seeing pictures of an intact door with a food cart sitting outside it.  Didn't the gunman shoot 200 rounds through the door and the police use explosives to gain entry ?  Also another intact door with crime tape over it.   

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Sounds like 2 shooters. One close, one further away. 

There's almost an overlap of the two as well.

Could not change guns that quickly.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, J said:

Sounds like 2 shooters. One close, one further away. 

There's almost an overlap of the two as well.

Could not change guns that quickly.

 

 

I didn't hear an overlap, but I'm not somewhere I can dial it up. Could easily be faked with two different recordings from different locations superimposed over each other.

I don't trust any of the footage at this moment, too many people with an agenda. Idiots that want to scam the public can edit the sound track in a number of ways.

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second shooter could be proven or dis proven with ballistics... any bullets in the victims that do not match the rifling of the guns recovered in the room... there is a missing gun

Edited by hamlet

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200 rounds through a door... why would swat need to blow it open after that

they could have tossed a pillow against the shards to clear them

heck they could have shot a couple flash bangs through the swiss cheese

Edited by hamlet

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2 hours ago, Riverboat33 said:

Sorry if I missed the explanation for this,  but I keep seeing pictures of an intact door with a food cart sitting outside it.  Didn't the gunman shoot 200 rounds through the door and the police use explosives to gain entry ?  Also another intact door with crime tape over it.   

Thought the same thing.  They said it was a suite, maybe 2 doors?

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13 minutes ago, hamlet said:

200 rounds through a door... why would swat need to blow it open after that

they could have tossed a pillow against the shards to clear them

heck they could have shot a couple flash bangs through the swiss cheese

Last night I asked that of a friend who has some practical experience in the matter. He points out three things. 

 

First, you can't make any assumptions about the integrity of any door. No way of knowing what type of reinforcement that might exist on other side. Hotel doors are usually steel and 200 5.56 rounds, if shot through the center of it, will not impact hinges or lockset. Also, recall that killer had already screwed emergency exit door(s) shut to stall SRU access. 

 

Second, if there are explosives rigged to inside of the door, the violent breach will likely detonate those as well. Better then when the team is off to the side than when they use the ram. 

 

Third, explosive door breach has an added benefit of disorienting those inside. It fracks with their OODA loop, especially if the blown door is followed with flash bangs tossed inside. 

 

Pure speculation on friend's part, he with 20+ years of SRU experience including in NYC in the 1990s. 

Edited by tomkaz

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I still dont think a bump stock did that, and the audio clearly sounds like two rifles (not handguns returning fire)

Why did he do this?  Whats up with the Tannerite and the fuel tanks.

 

Something stinks here.

Edited by Shipwreck

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