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I know how to make America great again.

I’m not a big fan of Donald Trump, as I might’ve said once or twice before, at dinner parties, in these pages, or on National Public Radio. But seeing the president behave more like a commander in chief these past two weeks than his predecessor had in eight years in office—destroying one-fifth of Bashar al-Assad’s air force while enjoying a scrumptious chocolate cake, dropping 21,000 lbs. of explosive justice on ISIS scum in Afghanistan—gave me an idea about how to turn Trump’s favorite locution from a maddening mantra into an action plan. Here goes: Reinstate the draft.

Before you contemplate this idea any further, go ahead and read this editorial from the young Soviets who run Wellesley’s student newspaper. “If people are given the resources to learn,” opined the sisters of Stalin, and “refuse to adapt their beliefs, then hostility may be warranted.”

It’s easy to mock the muddle-minded millennials who’ve turned our colleges into self-imposed gulags of the mind. But railing against the depravities of regressive liberalism does little to mitigate the damage it can do or redeem a generation lost to the poisonous logic of political correctness. The greatest peril to American democracy isn’t that our elected leader is a boastful bumbler who may or may not eventually learn how to govern without too much harm—it’s that too many institutions on which civil society depends have abandoned the cause of liberty and the call to community for a heady brew of bad ideas not many Americans share.

And the Army is the perfect antidote.

Some advantages of universal, mandatory conscription are immediate, obvious, and delightful. In Afghanistan, one imagines, those Wellesley women who believe the dissenting opinions of others merit hostility would learn what those words they toss around so cavalierly—hostility, resources, beliefs—truly mean, or what an actual war against women truly looks like, or what happens to a society when it is seized by narrow-minded fanatics who forbid all difference. And those Middlebury militias who attacked a professor and a visiting lecturer last month might learn that the urge to smash and silence opponents is better served when directed not at aging conservative scholars in think tanks but at Syrian soldiers in real tanks. The apolitical young will be similarly well served by putting away their apps and loading some ammunition—the upcoming challenges are far too overwhelming for a generation reared on Snapchat.

But there’s more to suggest the wisdom of the draft than just a heaping serving of Schadenfreude. With its ranks swelling from about 1.3 million to more than 30 million—the number of Americans aged 18-24, according to the 2010 Census—the U.S. Army could be called upon to meet all manner of challenges, at home and abroad. Some of them are grim: From Damascus to Donbass, the vacuum created by Barack Obama’s adamant refusal to flex America’s muscles has inspired devils of all stripes to step up and step in. To no one’s surprise, what ensued was a major global crisis that unleashed a torrent of refugees and further destabilized an already-rickety region. If America signaled that it was serious about once again defending its national interests not only by dropping bombs or launching missiles but by building up scores of new divisions ready for deployment, those betting on American apathy or reluctance may think twice. Just as important, as the vast majority of American soldiers are currently stationed stateside, the tens of millions of new recruits could be put to use doing anything from building new airports to paving new roads. And if that sounds far-fetched, recall that the mobility of U.S. troops and vehicles was a major factor in President Dwight Eisenhower’s decision to invest in the interstate highway system. Our current defense needs call for other kinds of infrastructure, like a faster and more secure internet. And yet, according to the World Economic Forum, the U.S. ranked 25th in the world in terms of overall infrastructure, behind such global powerhouses as Oman. Millions of men and women with nothing but time on their hands and all the training the world’s greatest military can give could solve all that.

A nationwide conscription would, of course, dramatically change the nature of American society. And that’s precisely the point. The armed forces remain the one institution an overwhelming majority of Americans—left, right, and center—still trusts, but when its veterans took to the ballot, they voted for Trump by a margin of 2-1. They did so not because they belong to some particular, underprivileged demographic—on the contrary, studies show that those who volunteer to serve are significantly more likely to come from high-income neighborhoods, as well as enjoy a high level of education. They turned to Trump for many of the same reasons they turned to the Army: because they see themselves as Americans first and foremost; because they see the world through the prism of nationalism, not globalism; and because they know that might is indispensable to the preservation of the virtues and the blessings we hold dear. Their collegiate contemporaries, on the other hand, often view themselves as part of a cosmopolitan elite and champion the same universal values progressives fashion into banners everywhere from Melbourne to Madrid; they see nationalism as little more than a preamble to racism, and force as a prelude to brutality. This polarization has been the subject of much hand-wringing and, with good reason, will continue to be so for the foreseeable future. Unless we somehow throw these two factions together into an institution everyone respects and force them to consider alternative points of view.

Which is what they still do in Israel, where men and women from widely different backgrounds spend their formative years committing their time not only to defending the country’s borders but also to teaching underserved communities, preparing for natural disasters, caring for the poor and the needy, welcoming immigrants, and forging a society that can never really break apart, no matter how serious the fissures it faces and how deep the disagreements that trouble its political life. Once you’ve sweated side by side with someone, once you’ve helped them through an endless run in the heat or watched with gratitude as they pushed you out of bed for yet another impossibly early roll call, you can never see them as anything but your brother or your sister, no matter how divergent your views of the world may be.

We could use some of this brotherly love in America. We could use some great equalizer that brings us all, red and blue, together in khaki. We could use a mighty machinery of change that turns its gears toward our national priorities, toward our sagging infrastructure, toward our neglected interests. We could use the chance to feel a part of something greater than ourselves again. We could use the draft.

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Edited by Moonpool

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Notice it essentially says dont allow your late teens to turn trash on the society

make them be productive and useful.

Show them that goods come from work not from "taking back from the rich that which they steal from us"

 

I agree with that.  We fail miserably at it... and it starts well before military age.  It starts in preschool

by design.

 

 

 

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No.  The Constitution doesn't give the government the right to press people in to service, which means the right to serve, or not, belongs to the people.

 

And the last thing the DOD needs is to have to babysit a bunch of snowflake draftees.  

 

Save it for when the nation is on the verge of survival, not as some sort of twisted social experiment.

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Wartime changes things.

But, if you think we spend too much on Defense now, wait until we have millions of kids to run through the system that don't want to be there.

In general, during peace time, and even now, with hot spots all over the globe, our forces seem to be sufficient for the task at hand.

 

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14 minutes ago, hamlet said:

Unless I am mistaken, the Government DID press people into service.

Were they doing something they had to right to do?

No, they're weren't.  They merely got away with it because people thought the end justified the means.

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A - You lost me at "young Soviets."

 

B - I think one of the most fair things we can do for those that volunteer to serve is to make sure they are serving with others who "want" to be there.  I would think the last thing one of our troops want is to have their life in the hands of someone who is disgruntled and just looking for a way out.

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20 minutes ago, Nessmuk said:

No.  The Constitution doesn't give the government the right to press people in to service, which means the right to serve, or not, belongs to the people.

 

And the last thing the DOD needs is to have to babysit a bunch of snowflake draftees.  

 

Save it for when the nation is on the verge of survival, not as some sort of twisted social experiment.

I am with you here.  I think it would do so many of them so much good, however, it would turn into another huge, inefficient, corrupt bureaucracy and we really don't need to do it.  Keep the military professional and efficient to include getting rid of transvestites and getting women out of the combat arms.

 

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So we don't want to let Transgender or homosexual or whom ever that want to serve join but the answer is to drag a bunch of kids kicking & crying into the service? Isn't that what we did through the Vietnam years? Back when our govt. would rather spend young lives then money on equipment & smart bombs!  Back then the army built more coffins & wheelchairs then men!

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I was drafted in the Vietnam war, 1968 to 1971. Did my 12 Months without kicking and screaming. So did a lot of other guys who didn't make it off those hills alive. I hate to keep saying it ,But if you didn't serve in combat with a group of buddies you cared for like they were your brother's. You were not fighting for god or country , but for one another to get the hell out of there and get home . But we fought, we cried sometimes, but not for what sb59 is saying for. I'm sorry sb if you served ,thank you. if not please keep quite about what you know nothing off. Not to start an argument with you. But it is a touchy subject with me. I lost some great buddies there, and they didn't die for nothing.  Oh yeah, the one's that didn't want to go back then went to Levinworth.

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I think it's a great idea, thought for different reasons. Nixon specifically wanted to end the draft because he correctly believed that if upper middle class kids had no reason to fear being drafted they would stop protesting against the incessant militarization and imperialism this country represents. Nixon was 1000% correct in this thinking; Obama bombed more countries than George W Bush and yet that demographic think the guy was some kind of saint. The same demographic cluelessly adored Hillary "We came we saw he died" Clinton oblivious to her love of military intervention and regime change. Imposing a draft would force these kids to pay attention to what adventures their government is conducting all over the world and maybe, just maybe question the morality of this "exceptionalism." I think Trump should bring it back for sure, erase some of Nixon's legacy (along with Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, etc.) 

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For it but not sure this country could handle that many recruits; it would do many good IMHO.  While I didn't do 20 years, I'm very glad I did 4 in the USCG.

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3 hours ago, Moonpool said:

i say yes.

 

I oppose reinstatement of the draft because  draftees opposed to military service  do not conduce to  good order and discipline.

 

 

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