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Trump took quite a bit of chit for saying he could work with Pelosi and Schumer on immigration. And those two microphone hos ran out to say "Yup" before anyone had a chance to think about it. All to "save DACA" it seems. 

 

Some Dems and others in the Media suggested that this was a trap but they were ignored. The idea of having a wedge issue between Trump and the GOP was so much for the pols to ignore. Then there was the suggestion that The Wall might take longer or be delayed and the Dems were salivating. So from the Public's perspective, the Dems were willing to work with Trump.

 

Meanwhile, support in the GOPE for a turnover of DACA was warm at best and cold for some in border states. Passage of any anti-Dreamers law was questionable at best.

 

SO WHAT HAPPENS? Trump introduces a 70+ point immigration plan that will save the Dreamers status but change the USA's immigration policy in ways thought unbelievable just a year ago. A skills-based plan to replace the anchor-child 

policy was a huge wish of the Right and is anathema to many on the Left. But in this populist environment, it is an argument whose time as come, especially since so many "forward thinking" countries have such policies. 

 

I have not digested all of the points in the Trump proposal but the fact that the Dems are complaining suggests I will like what I read, mostly. 

 

Recall, Trump changed the entire discussion on immigration during the GOP primary. He said things that were unthinkable, but started a discussion that crushed a few of this primary rivals. And the discussion continued into the general election and may have helped get Trump elected. And now Trump is about to change the discussion about it again, with a focus on what immigrants can bring to this country rather than just opening the door to anyone who can get through. 

 

And Nancy and Chuckie are going to do what after their earlier glee at a possibility to work with Trump? Say no? The public is expecting something, Trump will let the Dreamers stay and the Dems are going to spit in his face. Who knows, but I would prefer to be playing Trump's hand the the Dem leaders.  

 

And N and C must be wondering how expensive that meal with Trump will actually turn out to be. 

Edited by tomkaz

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we need an immigration plan and a secure border

lets see if trump gets a deal done-if he fails please for the love of god dont say he had nothing to do with it or what can he do like every other failed policy he wanted to install

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8 minutes ago, Gotcow? said:

AS I recall trump had a plan to replace ACA and it was going to be huge.

Still waiting.   :shrug:

True. But Dems had no desire to change and felt no political pressure to do something. And the GOP, who has to write bills, offered nothing in ACA reform that was politically viable. Not sure Trump can be blamed for that, at lease entirely. Also, note that Trump just this weekend was talking about a HC effort that could postpone the collapse of ACA for a couple years, and get concessions from Dems at same time. 

 

On immigration, Dems have a very significant interest in saving DACA from reversal. 

 

And if both HC and immigration are negotiated at same time, who knows what's possible?

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1 minute ago, tomkaz said:

True. But Dems had no desire to change and felt no political pressure to do something. And the GOP, who has to write bills, offered nothing in ACA reform that was politically viable. Not sure Trump can be blamed for that, at lease entirely. Also, note that Trump just this weekend was talking about a HC effort that could postpone the collapse of ACA for a couple years, and get concessions from Dems at same time. 

 

On immigration, Dems have a very significant interest in saving DACA from reversal. 

 

And if both HC and immigration are negotiated at same time, who knows what's possible?

Another thing I recall Trump saying was "on day one"

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And so it begins. 

Pelosi hints Dems will play hardball to protect Dreamers

Mike Lillis10/09/17 06:00 PM EDT

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Monday wouldn't rule out withholding support for end-of-the-year budget bills — and risk a government shutdown — if President Trump and the Republicans don’t agree to protections for undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children.

“We have to do it before Christmas, that’s just the way it is,” she said Monday in an interview with The Washington Post.

Yet Pelosi acknowledged that the Democrats’ strategy is far from decided, and there are internal disagreements about the wisdom of showing their hand months ahead of December’s budget fight. 

“We’re not at that place yet,” she said. “Right now, we’re trying to get Republicans to vote on what we believe.”

President Trump last month sparked a scramble to safeguard the so-called “Dreamers” when he rescinded the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, an Obama-era initiative providing work permits to hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children.

Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) met with Trump last month over dinner, where they agreed to the contours of a compromise that would couple protections for DACA beneficiaries with a series of border security enhancements acceptable to the Democrats. Schumer and Pelosi made clear they would reject any package that included new funding to expand Trump’s promised border wall.

But that agreement appeared threatened over the weekend after the White House released a series of immigration proposals the administration is demanding as part of any DACA fix. The list features a number of measures championed by tough-enforcement voices of the far right, including provisions to hire an additional 10,000 immigration agents; expedite deportation of those seeking asylum; withhold federal funding from cities that shield undocumented immigrants from federal law enforcers; and construct a physical wall along the U.S.-Mexico border –– the most prominent plank of Trump’s successful campaign.

The proposals were cheered by conservative Republicans, who argued the changes will protect both American jobs and public safety after years of what they deemed lax enforcement under President Obama. But Democrats lashed out at the administration, accusing White House hardliners of trying to scuttle a DACA deal before it can ever gain steam. And Pelosi on Monday said the administration’s principles are “un-American,” dismissing them out of hand.

“There’s nothing in it to negotiate because it does not have shared values of who we are as Americans,” she told the Post.

The Democrats have launched a discharge petition that would force a floor vote on the Dream Act, a proposal shielding more than 1 million undocumented immigrations from deportation while creating an eventual pathway to citizenship. But the effort will almost certainly fail to attract the 218 signatures needed to compel a vote, and most observers predict the issue won’t be considered until December, when government funding expires. 

Many Democrats want to attach the Dream Act to that must-pass budget package, warning that they won’t support the legislation otherwise. It’s a scenario Pelosi declined to rule out this week.

“I fully intend to use every possibility” to protect the Dreamers, she told the Post. 

Pelosi took a good deal of heat last month from members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC) after she united with Trump on a budget package that excluded any Dreamer protections. CHC leaders are already upping the pressure to ensure history doesn’t repeat.

“We’re going to us every leverage point we have at our disposal to protect theses Dreamers,” Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D-N.M), head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC), said on a press call Monday.

In rescinding DACA, Trump gave Congress until March 5 to come up with a legislative fix protecting enrollees from deportation. But Pelosi’s comments are the latest indication that the Democrats don’t want the issue to linger into 2018. 

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As one prominent poster noted, the 3D Chessmaster is at work again!  Let's expose the D's and the RINO's as being for Amnesty, Open Borders, pro illegal immigration, reducing American's wages, etc.  Forcing them to vote will show exactly that and let the American people hammer them at the polls in the mid-terms.  Let's get some more true Conservative, real Republicans back in Congress that will support President Trump's agenda.

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Laura Ingram was on Fox News earlier and pointed out that since his swearing in, Trump has been "smoking out" all manner of people not inline with his plan and not inline with the populist moment we find ourselves in. Her suggestion is that Trump is using Twitter and other behaviors to force people to show their true stripes. She specifically mentioned Corker as a guy who is clearly not onboard with the Trump agenda "and probably never was."

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BTW, related to my comment above on Pelosi threatening to "shut down the government" via funding stall is a fascinating bit of turnaround. In recent years, it has always been the GOP who has threatened shutdown and they have been vilified by President Obama, the Dems generally and the Media for "holding the US government's operation hostage to their selfish needs" or some such thing.

 

But now here we are with the Dems now threatening to shut down the government if they don't get their way. And that was Pelosi's opening gambit in what is supposed to be a negotiation. She went to DefCon Two in a heartbeat all because Trump issued a proposal that included The Wall but also saved DACA. 

 

For those not paying attention, this, if it gets legs, makes threats of a government shutdown through budgetary stalls a bi-partisan tactic and no longer something just in the GOP's playbook. Trump will have effectively robbed the Dems of that charge, whether he intended to or not. 

 

Also, because prior threats to shut down the govt, whether actual or not, were painted as the GOP playing to their base at the cost of the nation, the Dems will now own such a charge as well. And do so related to The Wall which has widespread and bipartisan support across the country. 

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So True, Tomkaz.  The blind, raging Libruls on this Board just cannot grasp how smart Trump and Bannon are, and the MSM, Dem's and RINO's are falling into the Trap.  You would have thought they kind of figured it out when he (a non career politician) beat the career crooks in the Primaries and then beat the old, tired, career criminal (but part of one of the greatest political machines ever)/MSM in the General Election.

 

Wake up Democrats.  All you've worked for the last 50 years is disappearing fast.  

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I don't know anyone based in reality that thought "day one" on BarryCare was possible; Gruber, Barry and all the other BarryCare architects tried to make it impossible to repeal and replace.  I do believe DJT went from the inauguration right to work though.

 

Do you support gummit run healthcare?

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10 minutes ago, nalu22 said:

I don't know anyone based in reality that thought "day one" on BarryCare was possible;

 I don't think Trump's base is "reality based" 

his campaign rhetoric was largely things that weren't going to happen, and over the top statements.

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