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Has anyone seen these articles calling the second amendment a cancer. These moon bats are calling for a repeal of the very basis of American freedom. These are scary times when these opinions are gaining momentum in a time when a united front needs to solidify this great nation. There was a reason it was deemed the 2nd most important part of the constitution and is even more relevant than ever. I have never seen this country as divided as it is now and pray for the sake of my children to know the same freedoms that brought my family here from Europe. 

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Go ahead, I say, amend the Constitution. 

Let's get rid of the rest of the rights too, while you are at it.

It would just be a matter of time with out the 2nd, anyway.

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6 hours ago, giggyfish said:

Has anyone seen these articles calling the second amendment a cancer. These moon bats are calling for a repeal of the very basis of American freedom. These are scary times when these opinions are gaining momentum in a time when a united front needs to solidify this great nation. There was a reason it was deemed the 2nd most important part of the constitution and is even more relevant than ever. I have never seen this country as divided as it is now and pray for the sake of my children to know the same freedoms that brought my family here from Europe. 

giggy...Most of these guys don't read, let alone read the Times.  They also have zero intellectual curiosity, so expecting them to Google to find the article is silly.  

 

That's why they were such EZ prey for Russian hack ads on Facebook and such.  If it fits a narrative in their head, they run with it without question.  They post, like, follow, and share all that Right-wing propaganda and Russian "news" salad.

 

They think Snopes is a mouthwash.

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Original piece was as follows...

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Opinion |  CONTRIBUTING OP-ED WRITER

The Cancer in the Constitution

Timothy Egan OCT. 6, 2017

 

At the time, the typical firearms were single-loading muskets and flintlock pistols. At most, a shooter could fire off three rounds per minute, at a maximum accuracy range of about 50 yards.

Compare that with the carnage unleashed by the gunman in Las Vegas, Stephen Paddock. Among the 23 guns he hauled into the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino were at least a dozen that he had apparently modified into rapid-fire weapons of mass murder.

Spraying at people below him, Paddock unleashed about 90 rounds per 10 seconds and could mow down his targets — human beings — almost a quarter-mile away. He was able to convert semiautomatic AR-15s into something very close to machine guns.

 

All of his weapons were legal but should not be by any rational reading of the Second Amendment. Did the founders really intend to empower crazy people to kill children at school or worshipers in a church? If they did, then we should all have the right to portable nukes — for that is the logical conclusion of such an argument.

No, the Second Amendment became a cancer because lawmakers stopped making laws to match the technological advances of weaponry. They did it to appease a lobby of gunmakers. And that cowering to a single special interest shows how the cancer has spread to the democracy itself, making it nearly impossible for majority will to be exercised.

A majority of Americans — indeed, a majority of gun owners — want laws to keep lunatics and terrorists from committing mass homicide. But what is the response of our elected officials? I’ll let President Trump explain. As he told the N.R.A. after the election, “You came through big for me, and I am going to come through for you.”

The disgraced former cable pundit Bill O’Reilly said all the recent carnage is “the price of freedom.” But it’s not the price of freedom in Canada or Japan or England. It’s the price of freedom only in the United States, where mass killings have surged. In every other free country, sanity has prevailed.

And what about that “well regulated militia” part of the amendment? It’s overlooked in favor of the second clause, about the right of people to firearms. Nearly half the states have no requirements, before buying a gun, for any kind of training in handling a firearm.

As I said, it’s only in the last 30 years or so that this amendment has metastasized. President Roosevelt signed the National Firearms Act of 1934, restricting sales of machine guns and sawed-off shotguns — the weapons of choice for violent gangsters.

But now we have more regulations on paint, toys and the pull date of milk than on sophisticated weapons. The Supreme Court, though it ruled 5-4 in the 2008 Heller case that an individual has the right to own a gun unconnected to service in a militia, has left the door open to sensible regulation.

“Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited,” the court wrote in that case. “It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever for whatever purpose.”

It’s a no-brainer to pass a law designed to keep people from turning their AKs into machine guns with the so-called bump stocks. But it was also a no-brainer to restrict people on terrorism watch lists from buying guns, as was proposed after the Orlando slaughter of 49 people last year. It failed. A healthy democracy, reflecting the outrage of its citizens and the common-sense will of the majority, would have done right by the Orlando victims in a heartbeat.

But we’re no longer a healthy democracy, thanks to the cancer that has grown out of the Constitution.

 

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5 minutes ago, MaxKatt said:

..........That's why they were such EZ prey for Russian hack ads on Facebook and such.  If it fits a narrative in their head, they run with it without question.  They post, like, follow, and share all that Right-wing propaganda and Russian "news" salad...........

 

You don't really believe we weren't already dead set against Hillary long before Russia starting playing around with Fake News, do you?

 

I don't have the exact date, but when FOX ran a story back in 2006/2007-ish that Hillary had moved to NY setting up a run for a Senate Seat that could one day line her up for POTUS, I became "anyone but Hillary" that day.

 

I was glad when Obama won the nomination, because even if we lost with McCain (which was indeed a tragedy for the SCOTUS), if nothing else, at least we wouldn't have her.  And as bad as Obama was, he still wasn't as bad as she'd have been (though sometimes I wonder.)

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10 minutes ago, saltydawg said:

We really need to look at the First, too. People saying their "opinions" whenever they feel like it? Who needs to do that?

It will be no problem getting rid of that pesky 1st after the 2nd is gone.

Free press, who needs them? I don't want to hear anyone's frickin opinion. Let's just have the government tell us what we need to know. They have only our best interests in mind...

They are bought and paid for, so much for being free.

 

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If it’s about safety, I have some great ideas about restricting other rights that will make us all safer.  A lot safer.

 

common sense ideas.

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21 minutes ago, dena said:

It will be no problem getting rid of that pesky 1st after the 2nd is gone.

Free press, who needs them? I don't want to hear anyone's frickin opinion. Let's just have the government tell us what we need to know. They have only our best interests in mind...

They are bought and paid for, so much for being free.

 

They can HAVE opinions...but does anyone really NEED to express them?

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