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Metal, from Tins to Jigs to Casting Spoons- Everything You Need to Know

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On 6/8/2021 at 4:23 AM, PSegnatelli said:

I've got some tin ones coming from Dan. Gonna experiment with a nose grommet. Dan says it works well

 

I'd love to find a mold. Do it has a smaller one. But just not heavy enough. 

The mold I use to make my 5/8 and 1 oz wobble jigs is custom made.  I designed it and had it made quite a while ago.  To my knowledge it’s probably the only one in existence.  

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54 mins ago, Dan Tinman said:

The mold I use to make my 5/8 and 1 oz wobble jigs is custom made.  I designed it and had it made quite a while ago.  To my knowledge it’s probably the only one in existence.  

I'm real excited to get em.

 

I'd love to get a mold made for smaller eel jigs.  Like 2/3rd oz in tin.  

 

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1 hour ago, PSegnatelli said:

I'm real excited to get em.

 

I'd love to get a mold made for smaller eel jigs.  Like 2/3rd oz in tin.  

 

The tin wobble jigs you’re getting are just about that weight.  They went out Monday so you should see them today or tomorrow.

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48 mins ago, Dan Tinman said:

The tin wobble jigs you’re getting are just about that weight.  They went out Monday so you should see them today or tomorrow.

Sweet!  Plannin a trip to the shore this weekend!  Then school's out next week and summer school starts 7/5. So I'll have a brief week or two for adventures:shaky:

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Awsome thanks so much. Your posts really get ya thinking. I have so many Swedish Pimples that I never use...well because for ice fishing they are too large. I also have a few larger Cleos that I never Troll. I'm gonna move a few over to the Salt box. Thanks for all of that information and the thought behind these posts. 

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I fished Cary's "Tins Rotation" today. Never got past the D-5. Threw out the J-7 and got hit within 10 seconds. Next cast, it got hit so fast one of the guys I was fishing next to asked rhetorically, "did that thing even hit the water?" 

  Switched over to a topwater and got no love, so I went with the J-8. Instant smash. Started the day with 3 fish on four casts. Saw 15 fish caught in the 2 hours I was there, 12 of them by me. I caught 4 times as many fish as the rest of the guys on the jetty, mostly on the Charlie Graves tin Tins. 9 Blues, 3 Bass, the blues stole a 9" Doc, a Hogy Charter popper and a Heddon super spook, they also messed up the thread on my dressed hooks on the J-8 and the D-5.

 

 There's power in "The Rotation"(Fact). Got my last fish on a generic epoxy jig, ski-daddled and swung by the local tackle shop to buy replacements for the 3 lures I lost...wound up buying 5. The sickness is real.

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On 6/11/2021 at 2:04 AM, RockRonin said:

I fished Cary's "Tins Rotation" today. Never got past the D-5. Threw out the J-7 and got hit within 10 seconds. Next cast, it got hit so fast one of the guys I was fishing next to asked rhetorically, "did that thing even hit the water?" 

  Switched over to a topwater and got no love, so I went with the J-8. Instant smash. Started the day with 3 fish on four casts. Saw 15 fish caught in the 2 hours I was there, 12 of them by me. I caught 4 times as many fish as the rest of the guys on the jetty, mostly on the Charlie Graves tin Tins. 9 Blues, 3 Bass, the blues stole a 9" Doc, a Hogy Charter popper and a Heddon super spook, they also messed up the thread on my dressed hooks on the J-8 and the D-5.

 

 There's power in "The Rotation"(Fact). Got my last fish on a generic epoxy jig, ski-daddled and swung by the local tackle shop to buy replacements for the 3 lures I lost...wound up buying 5. The sickness is real.

 

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Glad to hear you had such a nice day on the Jetty Rock & that Charlie Graves Tin's Rotation worked quite nicely for you. All we're doing is searching the water with Tins shaped like the typical forage that we might find. Weather events can change things quickly & as the calendar days fall off the wall, bait-fish species and size change all the time, even in the most reliable & predictable of spots. 

 

You're a sharpie because you obviously read the post & honed in on the most important of all the Charlie Graves information. Which ones should I use, when should I use them & how should I use them. The Rotation does work. It's also simple. 

 

As we've noted, the key is that each Tin has a Belly that has a unique silhouette which resembles a variety of different sized forage. The predatory fish sees the Belly of the tin (not the top, which coincidentally has the tiny keel). Each Tin is designed to weigh 1 1/2 oz, which means it will cast ideally and sink slow enough as to not get hung up on most beaches. All you need to do to present effectively is cast the Tin out & reel it back slowly. The irregular chine to the belly's hull will cause it to wobble all over the place as you bring it back. You can also count down & work different depths with the Graves Tins and they will even work on the surface - making them my #1 preferred lure in my entire plug bag. 

 

The Rotation is a great way to search the water as we move from spot to spot. Let's take it to another level now and go over 5 secrets to take our Tins fishing to another level. 

 

Secret 1: Learn to read the water. A lot of guys who don't catch are casting directly at Sand-Bars all day, without realizing what a mistake this is. As we've covered, Sand Bars have waves breaking right in front of them. Look left or right & you may see multiple sets of Sand Bars. Fish in between them, as this is where the deeper troughs or Cuts as we say, are located.  Baitfish get sucked into these Cuts and predators swim along the backside of Sand Bars, then into the cuts & with the cresting wave, then down into the nearest "next" cut and back around the back side of the Sand Bar. Bait is present all day & all night long and it's always hugging the beach. 

 

Secret 2: The Tin is designed to wobble erratically from the simple act of it being reeled in. However, many anglers use casting clips shaped like paper clips or they tie directly to the Tin. Make sure whatever your terminal connection is, that it's not inhibiting the Tin's movement. This is crucial. We've touched on this in the thread. As we said, there are three really good methods you can use to attach the Tin, which has a substantial amount of bulk & an awkward, but wonderful, grommet that you have to deal with in order to connect it. The Grommet acts as the Tin's "eyeball" & there definitely is something to lures with eyes. We like the eye effect that the grommet provides & we simply need to be sure not to impede the Tin's movement. 

 

Method #1 is to use a bell-shaped lure clip, rather than a typical duolock shape (which looks like a paperclip). The Bell-shaped clip gives the Tin plenty of room to wiggle, unimpeded. This gives you a ton of fish catching mojo & appeal. Here are the Catch-All clips I use. They're super heavy duty off shore clips and they're designed for fatter lures, so they have a bell shaped nose. 

 

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When you buy terminal items like these, it's a good idea to go in with your buddies as many sites will have minimum orders of $25 & if you're only looking for a few bags of clips, you'll come up short. 

 

The Bell shaped nose on these style clips is a perfect match for wider, hard to attach Metals & Tins. These style clips also have two secure latch arms which provide fail-safe connections on Tins & they're great for expensive plugs also. 

 

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Both the #5 and #4 Catch All Clips are ideal for Tins. I use the #5 when I'm using Clips, as it has a little more generous clearance. Here's a loo

k at how the #5 looks on the nose of an 8M, which is a really substantial Tin. 

 

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For those that want a smaller clip, you can certainly make the #4 clips work as well. Here is what they look like on the same Tin:

 

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Method #2 is to use a large split ring 8/0 to 11/0 and pry it open with XL split ring pliers. Goes on easy-peasy and then you can use the paperclip style duo-locks if you like. 

 

Method #3 as we looked at, is to use solid rings, snip them open with a bolt cutter, bend, fit on, bend closed & dab with nailpolish to prevent rust. 

 

Secret 3: Use Tins to deliver Teasers. From Red Gill Rascals (2 inch) to simple bucktail Teasers to wiggle tail grubs, gulp and other dastardly danglers, your catch rate will skyrocket if you use teasers and teaser use is a surefire way to clobber the doldrums of summer. Teasers work at night and also during the day so be sure to run them constantly. 

 

Secret 4: If possible, use a Conventional reel for fishing Tins. The benefit is that you can use extra long, stealthy leaders. I use 15' & even 20' leaders, usually Fluorocarbon by day & in in clear water and at night or in murky water, I'll switch over to mono. Fluorocarbon is very good in clear water & when you have clear skies also, as it doesn't cast a shadow (due to it's refraction index being very close to that of water). A long leader will give you a ton of stealth to your presentation. 

 

I use a well tied double-uni knot & have never had a single problem with this connection. I also hit this connection with a pinch of Pliobond, not because it makes the knot any stronger fellas - LOL! I do it to encapsulate the knot. Very long leaders continuously get reeled onto the spool of my conventional reel. A conventional reel will start up at a rpm of over 30,000. That makes the knot highly dangerous. A rough tied little knot might catch something also, like a guide foot, so when you encapsulate the knot in a water proof bonding agent like Pliobond, it will zip off the reel & out of the guides without any issues. 

 

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Generally, I'll fish 30lb leaders in cloudy water or on overcast days. As I'm working my rotation, if I'm not catching anything, I check conditions. Am I fishing too heavy a leader? If I think I might be, I may drop down if it's safe to do so - meaning Bluefish don't seem to be present. I drop to 20lb & then down to as light as 12lb. This constant awareness of my leader adds up to hundreds of more Stripers landed every season. When bait gets super small in the fall, WOW. I might even go as light as 8lb or 10lb. 

 

On clear days, or when water is clear, I start with 20lb & go down from there, usually to 12lb. My go to material for Fluorocarbon is Yozuri HD, which has a pink hue. It's very reasonably priced, often on sale and it's time tested, reliable & easy to find. 

 

Secret 5: Expand your Rotation as is necessary for the waters you fish. For example, if Bunker get real small, go to a Charlie Graves Peanut and drop down to a 1-W if necessary. If you have Finger Mullet around, try a Mullet Tin. If there are clouds of smaller Sand-eels around, use a Point Jude Po-Jee with a flapper blade. If you have really big young-adult Bunker around, 7" or 8", try a Charlie Graves Bunker Tin (a bump up in size from the vaunted 8-M). If the wind blows a pod of Butterfish in, use a Butterfish Tin..etc. 

 

Rotations are used for searching. If you add a Tin, it means you're going to rotate through it & your other Tins as you move & work the beach. Try not to get too complicated about adding something & do it only as an absolute necessity - for times when you clearly identify bait & don't feel you have the right sized Tin. 

 

Also, carry a few larger Plugs for true Adult Bunker or Mackerel. That way, you'll never get caught off guard. I hit a Blitz recently and Blues & Bass were on 8" Bunker & Mike's Classic Custom "Ditch Witch" Pencil slammed fish for a couple of hours. As the surface activity eventually subsided, I switched to Bucktails with rinds and continued to connect, landing both Blues and Bass with impunity & very little damage to my Bucktails (2 oz, unpainted white metal heads). If I broke out Paddle Tails or White Grubs I would have been bitten to smithereens. 

 

These 5 Secret Tips along with dedication to the Rotation will absolutely help you catch a lot of fish, very consistently, over the course of the Summer & into Fall. Often times, even when I'm just not feelin' it & I'm on a shift, I just move, switch, move, switch..etc, calmly rotating through my four Tins & right back to my first one. The J-7 is ALWAYS the first one out of the bag. Every time. Like clockwork. 

 

Then, we bump up to the J-8. Then we go D-5 and then 8-M and then we move & go J-7.

 

 

 

 

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