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Deep Diving Metal Lip Swimmers

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CG,

I've bought so many plugs...don't laugh at my wheelbarrow, ok?

Hey that's not a bad idea a wheel barrel, how does the Fat Tire do on sand? I bet its baller! Me laugh a wheelbarrow, never!

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I have some ru ru's somewhere....but the way the old timers talk about them, and even how folks write about them....it makes me wonder why they aren't as popular  as they used to be....

 

something that digs deep in strong current would never go out of style, you'd think.

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On 1/19/2016 at 6:33 PM, CaryGreene said:

Metal Lipped Plugs are a lot of fun to fish & different fisheries and water types demand some slight adjustments in terms of which plug you pick.post-40947-0-16756400-1453218461_thumb.jpg

 

The old Gibbs Danny style swimmers feature the lip in a fixed position a little lower than the center line of the front of the plug as the above photo illustrates. If you wanted a surface swimmer to swim and be able to hold a submerged position, even and flat water & still get a nice wide tail kick, a plug like this will do the trick.

 

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More modern swimmers can be divided into two types - ones with the flat noses (similar to the old Gibbss plugs) - and ones with a more rounded Heads.

 

In my experience I've both styles of Swimmers will hold about a foot deep in the water as they are retrieved.

 

The rounded head designs have no problem getting under the surface, just like their flat nosed cousins, but they tend to have a faster wobble, whereas the flat nose swimmer has a much more deliberate action.

 

The rounded head design really moves a little tighter and faster which is not better or worse but just different. Certain bait fish don't really wobble tremendously back and forth and rounded head swimmets can be an excellent choice.

 

The flat head style swimmer is the plug you want to pick if you're looking for a nice slow, wounded bait fish presentation, the extreme back and forth action is great on a slow retrieve when you are searching the water. I tend to use the rounded front style swimmer when I am really imitating specific baitfish that I know are present.

 

These two styles of Metal Lipped Swimmers are ideal for fishing 5 to 10 feet deep water and they also work anytime in very deep water providing that the Predators are feeding in the upper portion of the water column.

 

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The Pike is an excellent choice as a searching pattern and is similar to the flat nosed style Danny Swimmer, but instead of having a completely flat surface for the water to press against there is a notch cut into the head. This not does not make the plug run any deeper. It does however allow the plug to really start dancing when some current is present.

 

I fish Pikies a lot and they hold their position just like regular Metal Lips & the notch in the head utilizes current created by the tide, which speeds up the wobble, while still allowing the wobble to be nice and wide. To me I will use a Pikey on an outgoing tide to take full advantage of the current pushing against the classic notch in the nose of the plug.

 

Pikies really hold nicely in a little current and they kick back and forth like crazy. I will often use a Danny, not a Pikey, on an incoming or high tide, when I want to get under the surface and be able to stay there and swim slowly.

 

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Slope Back Metal Lipped Swimmers will definitely run a little deeper, several feet in fact. The more current that is present the more the plug will dig in and dive but they will also run deeper even in flat water, deeper than the other two styles of Metal Lips will.

 

When I'm fishing a rip 10'+ deep and I'm certain I have some depth to work with, I almost always select a Slope Back Swimmer, usually I choose this plug over a Bottle Darter because the swimming action is a lot better. To frame this comment let's imagine we're fishing a big open beach & the tide is moving from high tide to a strong outgoing tide. There's a nice rapid fall off and we have at least 10' to 15' feet to work with. The right choice here is the Slope Back Swimmer.

 

Now let's suppose we're fishing the Cape Cod Canal and we're fishing the edge of a current line created by a large boulder and the tide is beginning to move. The Bottle Darter would be the right choice here. The Slope Back Swimmer will run a little too deep because the current will shove it under and as it swings into the slacker water it will be too deep and you will get hung up/into trouble. The Bottle Darter will be more effective because you can drif it out into the current as far as 100 yards or more, then dig it in & swim it most of the way back along the current line and you will have less of an issue in terms of getting down too deep. The bottled water will be able to swim along and hold its position in the current, yet when it swings into the slack water you can safely retrieve it and you will have much less of a chance of getting hung up though you will probably still have to deal with weeds getting stuck on it to some degree.

 

For Slope Head Swimmers, the rule of thumb is you want plenty of water depth to work with and the nice thing is you can swim deeper than the regular Danny's with the Slope Head.

 

 

 

 

 

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Here is a picture of a classic Montauk Slope Head Metal Lip Swimmer that has been repeatedly clobbered over the years by big bass and blues. Hopefully I'm able to hand down to the next generation instead of having to retiread it, because this Plug is always in my plug bag. I actually can't imagine even going fishing without it.

Wow, thanks for the info. I am from South Africa and need to build a lure that can cast well in the surf and make a lot of vibration on the bottom in the sand. I Will attempt to build your Slope Back Metal Lipped Swimmer. 

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On 1/19/2016 at 9:33 PM, HugeDinghy said:

.1 and 6, picture lifted from elsewhere....

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#2 is a slopehead Conrad

 

I have 1 and 6. 6 still sort of looks like that. 1 was repainted white by someone. They swim too deep for where I fish. Hanging onto them for when I find myself in the correct spot.

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my go to deep swimmers are the creek chub giant pikies.

they swim nice with a steady throb like hell.

slow rolling them in after a good long drift out with pauses to let it hang out there then continue in makesfor some good slams.

I make sure I seal them first with a full subsurface soak in polyurethane before use.

I do that because I don't now how well sealed they are being form china these days.

have not seen them for sale anywhere in a couple years now so,they must have stopped producing them.

I grabbed them up when I saw them for sale.

the stickers were $18.99 and got them for 10.50 on ebay and amazon.

my other go to's are some of my own versions of  pikie which are more like Bob Hahns.

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1 hour ago, Southcoastphil said:

Cool plugs, HH!!

 

How big are those CCBC Pikies?  Wood or plastic?

 

 

not sure on the length but,I think 9 inches.

I do know they are 4oz.

and they are not old ones these are about 3 years old.

since I have seen some crack they must be at least partially wood or wood pulp with  lead inside somewhere.

they do work and I like them.

they cast pretty good too.

when the fish are laying down low and far out these will get them.

the yellow Rudolph is one of my versions of a pikie sort of like a Bob Hahns[head shave] but with a more pointed nose.

going by the package,it says wooden pikie but,not like what we would call wood.

wish I could see the construction.

this one was new old stock at my friends bait shop,it sells for $ 13.99.

I take off those monster hooks and add VMC 4/0's,swimms better to me that way.

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HH

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17 hours ago, Southcoastphil said:

Thanks HH.

 

How deep can you back- swim those (CCBC and yours) plugs?

 

 

well,I don't backswim them at all,I let them ride waay out then slow roll them in.

on the drift they are not working.

at times I may have one out as far as 160 yds,,,I'll engage the reel and let it hang till the line gets straight then begin the ride home.

the channel is about 16 ft with the flats being around 8-10.

after 2 hrs and a new moon tide it can bump bottom at that range.

if so then i'll switch to one of mine they can dig into but,if slowed down they will rise up some.

I also do the same with a CC surfster[sardine color] I got 4 years ago,it does well too but,needs to be tuned to go deeper.

then you can add in various larger darters and casting swimmers as well as gibb's goo-goo eyes big daddy swimmers,they also do well in such areas.

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HH

 

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On 1/19/2016 at 11:33 AM, CaryGreene said:

Metal Lipped Plugs are a lot of fun to fish & different fisheries and water types demand some slight adjustments in terms of which plug you pick.post-40947-0-16756400-1453218461_thumb.jpg

 

The old Gibbs Danny style swimmers feature the lip in a fixed position a little lower than the center line of the front of the plug as the above photo illustrates. If you wanted a surface swimmer to swim and be able to hold a submerged position, even and flat water & still get a nice wide tail kick, a plug like this will do the trick.

 

post-40947-0-85802400-1453218634_thumb.jpg

 

More modern swimmers can be divided into two types - ones with the flat noses (similar to the old Gibbss plugs) - and ones with a more rounded Heads.

 

In my experience I've both styles of Swimmers will hold about a foot deep in the water as they are retrieved.

 

The rounded head designs have no problem getting under the surface, just like their flat nosed cousins, but they tend to have a faster wobble, whereas the flat nose swimmer has a much more deliberate action.

 

The rounded head design really moves a little tighter and faster which is not better or worse but just different. Certain bait fish don't really wobble tremendously back and forth and rounded head swimmets can be an excellent choice.

 

The flat head style swimmer is the plug you want to pick if you're looking for a nice slow, wounded bait fish presentation, the extreme back and forth action is great on a slow retrieve when you are searching the water. I tend to use the rounded front style swimmer when I am really imitating specific baitfish that I know are present.

 

These two styles of Metal Lipped Swimmers are ideal for fishing 5 to 10 feet deep water and they also work anytime in very deep water providing that the Predators are feeding in the upper portion of the water column.

 

post-40947-0-24261000-1453219213_thumb.jpg

 

The Pike is an excellent choice as a searching pattern and is similar to the flat nosed style Danny Swimmer, but instead of having a completely flat surface for the water to press against there is a notch cut into the head. This not does not make the plug run any deeper. It does however allow the plug to really start dancing when some current is present.

 

I fish Pikies a lot and they hold their position just like regular Metal Lips & the notch in the head utilizes current created by the tide, which speeds up the wobble, while still allowing the wobble to be nice and wide. To me I will use a Pikey on an outgoing tide to take full advantage of the current pushing against the classic notch in the nose of the plug.

 

Pikies really hold nicely in a little current and they kick back and forth like crazy. I will often use a Danny, not a Pikey, on an incoming or high tide, when I want to get under the surface and be able to stay there and swim slowly.

 

post-40947-0-55475600-1453219688_thumb.jpg

 

Slope Back Metal Lipped Swimmers will definitely run a little deeper, several feet in fact. The more current that is present the more the plug will dig in and dive but they will also run deeper even in flat water, deeper than the other two styles of Metal Lips will.

 

When I'm fishing a rip 10'+ deep and I'm certain I have some depth to work with, I almost always select a Slope Back Swimmer, usually I choose this plug over a Bottle Darter because the swimming action is a lot better. To frame this comment let's imagine we're fishing a big open beach & the tide is moving from high tide to a strong outgoing tide. There's a nice rapid fall off and we have at least 10' to 15' feet to work with. The right choice here is the Slope Back Swimmer.

 

Now let's suppose we're fishing the Cape Cod Canal and we're fishing the edge of a current line created by a large boulder and the tide is beginning to move. The Bottle Darter would be the right choice here. The Slope Back Swimmer will run a little too deep because the current will shove it under and as it swings into the slacker water it will be too deep and you will get hung up/into trouble. The Bottle Darter will be more effective because you can drif it out into the current as far as 100 yards or more, then dig it in & swim it most of the way back along the current line and you will have less of an issue in terms of getting down too deep. The bottled water will be able to swim along and hold its position in the current, yet when it swings into the slack water you can safely retrieve it and you will have much less of a chance of getting hung up though you will probably still have to deal with weeds getting stuck on it to some degree.

 

For Slope Head Swimmers, the rule of thumb is you want plenty of water depth to work with and the nice thing is you can swim deeper than the regular Danny's with the Slope Head.

 

 

 

 

 

post-40947-0-44896000-1453221040_thumb.jpg

 

Here is a picture of a classic Montauk Slope Head Metal Lip Swimmer that has been repeatedly clobbered over the years by big bass and blues. Hopefully I'm able to hand down to the next generation instead of having to retiread it, because this Plug is always in my plug bag. I actually can't imagine even going fishing without it.

 

Nice post,  the most influential factor in any swimmer is the wood its turned from.  Next is weight and placement, finally the shape and lip tie all factors together to create a profile that does something unique.  I personally love pikies, their highly tunable given both the low wire placement, lip insertion, yet with a proper slope to not only develop a sinuous tail-up rolling action but also accommodates diving action if the wire is turned up.  Best deep diving metal lips though are the conrad designs.

 

 

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I make some that get down to 15ft. Great in heavy current and boat plugging. Yes correct wood selection and weight placement are critical in a good deep diver.

 

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This is a great post.  But, many of the fish/catch pictures illustrate a pet peeve of mine.  

IMO:  I really hate pulling in a bass sideways-- with the 2nd treble caught in the eye socket, side around the pectoral fin, or under the gill plate opening.  My favorite way of rigging is removing all hooking beyond a single front treble.  And I supersize this single treble.  I even do this with Dinner Catcher length needlefish.

 

 

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