albacized Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 ...listening to a panel of analyst from a lefty leaning site discuss it and even go as far as to predict what happened in last Tuesday's election a year ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV8hYZNXul8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovenrat Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2014/11/11/what-happened-n1916791 maybe soetoro should move to a country he'll respect more resentment of the properous .....only from the debonair grifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 It would be nice if Republicans would admit that the death panels was a lie, and that it's stupid to claim that Obama Care is bad because it puts a third party between a person and their health care provider, as if ANY insurance doesn't do that. maybe they could have an honest debate on it, and discuss the merits and shortcomings...... Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albacized Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 It would be nice if Republicans would admit that the death panels was a lie, and that it's stupid to claim that Obama Care is bad because it puts a third party between a person and their health care provider, as if ANY insurance doesn't do that. maybe they could have an honest debate on it, and discuss the merits and shortcomings...... It's clear you don't understand where the 'Death Panel' label came from - it has everything to do with the fact that doctors are facing more limited options to various treatment therapies (at least of which insurance plans will pay for under the obamacare act - if someone wants to pay through the nose out of pocket, then sure - it's all still there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by fish'nmagician It would be nice if Republicans would admit that the death panels was a lie, and that it's stupid to claim that Obama Care is bad because it puts a third party between a person and their health care provider, as if ANY insurance doesn't do that. maybe they could have an honest debate on it, and discuss the merits and shortcomings...... Insurance companies do not have judges, cops, and jails. Restricts liberty, goes against the founding of the USA as a nation couched in individual freedom. Done. Anything else I can help you with? “My happiness is not the means to any end. It is the end. It is its own goal. It is its own purpose.” Ayn Rand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by albacized It's clear you don't understand where the 'Death Panel' label came from - of course I do, it came from fear mongering. every insurance company that exists makes decisions as to whether procedures will be covered. pretending "death panels" are part of Obamacare is just nonsense meant to fire up the stupid. Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimG Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 The speculation on death panels had zero effect on the law getting passed. The lies from the President of the United States had a tremendous effect on getting the law passed. But you got your priorities straight. You are a good team player Magish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by JimG The speculation on death panels had zero effect on the law getting passed. really? I guess you are empowered to pick and choose which lies are significant? Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by JimG But you got your priorities straight. You are a good team player Magish my priorities are honesty, I prefer BOTH sides be honest. I won't say Republicans started lying about it being bad, so Obama had to lie to reassure people, that is stupid, lies are lies and I wish politics was debated honestly. Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotcow? Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 my priorities are honesty, I prefer BOTH sides be honest. I won't say Republicans started lying about it being bad, so Obama had to lie to reassure people, that is stupid, lies are lies and I wish politics was debated honestly. Actually, your side was brutally honest in the Obamacare debate. They said you can go along with what we want or we will pass it without your help. Happy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 I think if you want to be VERY honest, you will admit that the GOP's strategy has been to be uncooperative while claiming that Obama lied when he said he would change the political climate. Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotcow? Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 I think if you want to be VERY honest, you will admit that the GOP's strategy has been to be uncooperative while claiming that Obama lied when he said he would change the political climate. I think if you want to be VERY honest you will admit the the Democrats had absolutely no intention of working with the Republicans on the crafting of ACA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nessmuk Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 I think if you want to be VERY honest you will admit the the Democrats had absolutely no intention of working with the Republicans on the crafting of ACA. Good luck with that. Of all these, people, on the left, about the only honest admission of that you're likely to get is from Mully. The truth is, when the Dems held the congress they had absolutely no intention of doing anything but mow down the opposition. Unfortunately for them they did so with such bad government that they lost the House, then got killed again and lost the Senate. How's that nuclear option looking now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by Gotcow? I think if you want to be VERY honest you will admit the the Democrats had absolutely no intention of working with the Republicans on the crafting of ACA. I don't know if that's true or not, I do know the GOP leadership was pretty open about their intentions on being obstructionist. Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albacized Posted November 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 I don't know if that's true or not, I do know the GOP leadership was pretty open about their intentions on being obstructionist. I'd be the same way if someone was going to bypass me on an important topic I should've been part of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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