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Crystal Coat vs UD40 LS supreme

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Ok, I'va actually used both. The Crystal Coat is a lot thinner then the Supreme - I mean like water thin vs lite maple syrup. With the Supreme, you can fully coat a guide on a med/heavy boat rod with 3-4 coats - that's to my liking, some do it with 2. With Crystal Coat, you're looking at at least double that amount for the same build up of epoxy.

 

Bubbles - both are really good for releasing bubbles, although the CC will NEVER get any - it's just too thin.

 

Clarity - In muy opinion, the Supreme is clear, while the CC is sort of yellowish amber - barely noticeable, and it may be a problem I have when I applied it.

 

Pot life - CC - forever, easily over an hour, Supreme - about 30-40 minutes.

 

Overall - I use them both as a primary coat to seal the guides suffeciently to the blank (not really to the blank, but I know they fill the tunnel between the guide and teh thread completely. The CC does give off a strong odor and you should be in a well ventilated area when using it. You also need to be careful no plastics come in contact with the CC because the Solvents in the epoxy will eat through it.

 

I also do not suggest using the Crystal FLo with the CC - I used it once and definately screwed up - the epoxy was tacky after 2 full weeks!! Keep in mind it was my own error, an dif used properly it will yield nice results. I just do not find it neccesary to thin a water thin epoxy to start.

 

I hope I answered some of your questions. I like using both, but find the "thicker" Supreme to suit my needs better. Hopefully the formulation will not change.

 

Al, let's hear about the 30 coats of CC!!! Billy

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I have some of the Crystal Coat from Clemens. I have never used it before. Any tips on how to mix and use it. Should use aluminum or stainless steel measuring spoons, can I dump it on aluminum foil and can I use wood sticks to stir? Thanks for any guidance.

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DANe,

 

Use aluminum or stainless mixing spoons to measure the Crystal Coat and mix it is a glass baby food jar. Follow the label directions carefully.

 

Crystal Coat is water thin and is a very durable finish. I use it primarily as the initial sealer coat on saltwater rods and then top it off with a high-build finish like U40 Sumpreme or Flexcoat. I also use Crystal Coat when finishing fly rods.

 

Complying with Billy's request, I once finished a matched pair of unlimited stand-up tuna rods using only Crystal Coat. It took 30 coats of finish to achieve the desired results over a four week period just for the finishing. Good experience and the results were awesome.

 

Al

 

 

 

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I mix all my epoxies in a shot glass and at times pour it out onto a tile covered in aluminum foil. With the Crystal Coat, I just apply it straight from the mixed shot glass. Do not slop it onto the wrap - it will all over if you do. I use a sable brush to apply it - I've heard teh cheepo Flex coat disposable brushes are not compatable with Crystal Coat. Make sure to mix an even amount, and if possible use a stanless or aluminum spatula - the wood soaks up the epoxy a little, not sure if it is a problem, but I use the spatula.

 

Billy

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