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Word on the street is that The Army Corp of Engineers is going to rebuild the dunes and beaches by pumping off shore sand from Fire Island to Montauk Point. Maybe even a sand bypass at Shinecock and some more groins.

 

How do we feel about that?

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Word on the street is that The Army Corp of Engineers is going to rebuild the dunes and beaches by pumping off shore sand from Fire Island to Montauk Point. Maybe even a sand bypass at Shinecock and some more groins.

How do we feel about that?



Do you have any links to official statements?


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Do you have any links to official statements?

 

There are links all over that the study was done, but now there is some talk that it will get done. Nothing official, just what I have been hearing and seeing.

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The ACOE has plans of pumping areas of Gardiner's Bay too..... So I have heard.

 

There are many areas in the Bay that were 30 feet deep and now break at 6 inches on a east wind. Charting and navigation is going to be a nightmare by Memorial Day.

 

Take stock in Sea Tow.

 

 

These are all drastic measures for rehabing a storm that barely reached Hurricane status......wait till we actually have a big one.

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Terrible for fishing and surfing. Any sort of sand pumping is bad, and effects not only the beach they do it on but all of the beaches in the area, sometimes hundreds of miles away. Look at the tip of Sandy Hook in New Jersey. It has an entire area formed just from sand being pushed there from other beaches. Not to mention, if you look at the Google Earth historical images, you can see how drastically the area has changed. The storm actually set it just slightly back to the natural shape of the hook.

 

 

 

Stop messing with nature and leave the sand alone. End of story.

If it's meant to be it's meant to be. If you built a house on top of where mother nature wants to put an ocean, I'm sorry, but it's time to move. There is no stopping mother nature, there is only damage control, leading to wasting more money to rebuild your damage controller. Stop wasting tax payer dollars and leave the ocean and sand alone. Prepare and plan how we live, don't attempt to change the ocean to suit our needs. It's a fight we will never win.

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If they do not protect the south shore lines, then the inevitable will happen a lot sooner than the projected date, when the sea level rises to the point they can not add protective barriers to stop it.

 

It is true though that fishing (especially striped bass from the shore) gets affected negatively, when they pump sand and cover the naturaly evolved bottom and structure. This has been proven every time they dregde an area. It takes about 4 - 5 years for fish to come back to pre-dredge time, and that is usually the time they have to dredge again!

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If they don't protect the barrier beaches, then the dunes, and the barrier islands themselves, will migrate back into the bay, new marshes will grow behind the beaches, and life will continue much as it has for the last 10,000 years. That is the barrier beach/bay dynamic. When Sandy came through, the storm moved the dunes back to where they are supposed to be given current sea levels, etc. We then paid good money to move the dunes from where the ocean wanted them, and are now going to pay more good money to build new dunes where we want them, so that when the next storm comes, it can move the sand back to where it should have been left in the first place. Listen to the ocean, and leave the sand where the ocean tells you it should be, and in the long run you're going to get to the same place, but it's going to cost you a lot less to get there. We're not going to lose our beaches, and we're not going to lose the barrier between the ocean and the bay. But those beaches are going to move. the right thing to do is to remove all of the groins, etc. that currently exist, so that sand from the east can replenish beaches to the west, as the system will naturally do. It's stopping the flow of sand from the east that causes problems along the rest of the South Shore. We should not interfere with the littoral drift.

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This is the best erosion control system that I've been able to find. It's a once and done program that seems to have the Army Corps up in arms. I have no idea what the initial cost is, but that's the point. We(ain't that the truth) pay once, and the results are dramatic. No more waiting for the next dredging and replenishment system that the Corps are famous for.

 

Check out www.erosion.com and see for yourselves.

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This is the best erosion control system that I've been able to find. It's a once and done program that seems to have the Army Corps up in arms. I have no idea what the initial cost is, but that's the point. We(ain't that the truth) pay once, and the results are dramatic. No more waiting for the next dredging and replenishment system that the Corps are famous for.

Check out www.erosion.com and see for yourselves.



Why are they so up in arms? Seems like a good plan for the long-term....


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Why are they so up in arms? Seems like a good plan for the long-term....

 

Does it guarantee lifetime employment and continued big budgets and heavy staffing for the Corps? if not, they won't like it.

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Sand pumping is a major error. a TOTAL waste of money on something that at best is a temporary solution and gets removed the very next storm.

 

Here in my primary fishing area, Sandy Hook/Raritan Bay NJ-

Over time, the sand pumped onto the fronts migrated up and around the back and into our bay here

I can only guess at what will happen on a south facing shoreline. You can kiss your back bays goodbye.

Here in NJ it has buried a lot of vital grasses, structure and other key habitat and fish holding/attracting features. Former hotspots have vanished and areas that held fish in the past are devoid of life.

Its all sand now.

The baitfish and other forage doesn't hold, it just migrates thru. Sure a few new hotspots are slowly emerging, but its nowhere near where it was prior to all the sand being pumped.

Hopefully, this storms energy and its effects may actually be a blessing in disguise as there are already rumors about rocks and other bottom structure being exposed for the first time in a very long time. It will take a long time for the grasses to regrow, if ever.

We shall see as the 2013 season progresses how Sandy has put things back where they

should have been here in NJ in the first place.

Let Jersey's beach "replenishment" program be a lesson for Long Island.

Leave the sand where nature puts it and fight hard to keep it that way.

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