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Partisan Denouncing and Moral Equivocation....

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I am a Democrat.



I say this because I usually vote Democrat.



 



I am a leftie,



I say this because my politics are left of center (though not too far left)



 



When I engage in discussions on SOL I do it from that perspective.



 



If a Democrat/Liberal/Leftie says something stupid or makes a crude comment, and the right wingers are jumping all over them.  I tend NOT to pile on.  Because I find the right wingers are doing a good job of denouncing them.  So my silence means that either I didn't read the thread.  OR I read the thread and didn't disagree with what is being said.... yet felt no need to pile on.



 



Sometimes I may find that the Democrat/Leftie is being attacked unfairly.  and I will jump into the fray and offer an alternative view point.



 



I don't get the current demands that I cannot be critical of a right winger/Republican UNLESS I have already been critical of whatever Leftie gets brought up as "being guilty of doing the same thing".



 



If I read defense of Rush Limbaugh and his comments on Fluke,



 



Whether or not I spoke out against Maher isn't relevant.



you can ASK how I feel about said leftie.... and I might answer, but claiming that I'm a hypocrite if I haven't previously denounced a leftie for doing something similar to what I am currently taking a right winger to task for.... is quite frankly nonsense.



 



if you find me DEFENDING a lefty in what is clearly an apples to apples comparison of what I am not attacking a right winger over.



 



then you may have a point.



 



but can we stop with the demands to "prove" we have denounced one of our own as the price of admission to denounce one of your's?



it's a ridiculous argument.


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BTW, Bill Mahr is a self-avowed LIBERTOPIAN.



 



As a LIBERTOPIAN he is free to support ANY candidate



he feels is in sync with his interests.



 



Bill Mahr IS NOT a DEMOCRAT



nor a spokes person for ANY democratic party apparatus.



 



Just sayin


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BTW, Bill Mahr is a self-avowed LIBERTOPIAN.

 

As a LIBERTOPIAN he is free to support ANY candidate

he feels is in sync with his interests.

 

Bill Mahr IS NOT a DEMOCRAT

nor a spokes person for ANY democratic party apparatus.

 

Just sayin

 

From 2010:

 

Breitbart: "So you're officially not a Libertarian anymore, right? I mean, this position has run so far from the Libertarian position. Is this, so you admit that you have more of a, you know, European socialist leaning perspective on this issue?"

 

When the audience laughter subsided, a clearly stunned Maher acknowledged, "I'm not afraid to say European socialism works"

 

 

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My car works,

but that doesn't mean I'm a Toyota.

 

But because you bought a Toyota we can assume you believe in them?

 

Where people spend their money is a pretty good indication of what they value. Much more so than what they say.

 

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

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European Socialism works.



 



may be deemed a statement of fact.



 



if he is a Libertarian he might just be recognizing the the system works,



while at the same day his PERSONAL preference would be for a system with more personal liberties and freedoms.



 



Something working and something working at optimum comfort are two different things.



 



I personally don't think that Libertopia would work,



so whereas it may be more PREFERABLE as an idea to European Socialism,



it's an unattainable system.


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European Socialism works.

may be deemed a statement of fact.

..........

 

:D

 

That cancer works may be deemed a statement of fact. A weird perverted viewpoint but what else is new.

 

The point is that Bill Mahr donated a million to Obama's reelection. That shows where his heart is. Whatever he says at any given moment is meaningless because he says anything that pops into his twisted brain whether it makes any sense or not.

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European Socialism works.

 

may be deemed a statement of fact.

 

if he is a Libertarian he might just be recognizing the the system works,

while at the same day his PERSONAL preference would be for a system with more personal liberties and freedoms.

 

Something working and something working at optimum comfort are two different things.

 

I personally don't think that Libertopia would work,

so whereas it may be more PREFERABLE as an idea to European Socialism,

it's an unattainable system.

 

it could only be deemed a statement of fact if you could provide supporting data to prove said system "works".

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it could only be deemed a statement of fact if you could provide supporting data to prove said system "works".

 

European Socialism is a bankrupt concept, both fiscally & politically. Only the most ignorant partisan denies this 'fact'. Europe is thrashing in financial crisis because they spend too much, not because they spend too little. :squid: No one in their right mind believes that the Europeans are not taxed enough, as is.

 

The pendulum has swung on this issue. Even the Nordic Socialist Republics realize the gravy train is coming to a halt. It is fait accompli.

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Originally Posted by Roadrunner View Post

 

European Socialism is a bankrupt concept, both fiscally & politically. .

 

 

 

So what nations on the planet are healthier than say England or Germany?

 

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It's too bad that some folks aren't as well informed as they are mouthy. Both England & Germany have reigned in social spending, and are greatly curtailing 'social' benefits. This is why they are are not in crisis as badly as other Socialistic Workers paradises, who still have their heads up their collectivistic keesters. :dismay:

 

Greece, Portugal, Espana, Italia, all still in deep doodoo. France teeters. All because of rampant 'social overspending.

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Originally Posted by Roadrunner View Post

 

 Both England & Germany have reigned in social spending,.

 

so England and Germany wouldn't be designated as European Socialist nations?

 

 

 

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so England and Germany wouldn't be designated as European Socialist nations?

 

 

Even someone as dense as me can see that is not what he said.

 

He said they are trying to cure their socialist ways, just like we should do here.

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BTW, Bill Mahr is a self-avowed LIBERTOPIAN.

 

As a LIBERTOPIAN he is free to support ANY candidate

he feels is in sync with his interests.

 

Bill Mahr IS NOT a DEMOCRAT

nor a spokes person for ANY democratic party apparatus.

 

Just sayin

 

At least the Democrats have that going for them. ;) Obama gets a million bucks from him, but he doesn't join the party. Only in America! :D

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