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Something the competition committee should look into is the ramifications for the defense of 12 men on the field.



 



The Pats got the ball back for the last drive with very little time on the clock,



within the last 20 seconds they ran a play (8 seconds off the clock) that resulted in a flag against the Gints for 12 men on the field.....



 



No time gets added back on the clock.



 



at that point I am sure Belichek would have traded the 5 yards awarded for the 8 seconds the play took.



 



In these situations why doesn't the Defense go into a 12 man allignment every play?



put an extra back deep to cover the long pass,



at worst you give up 5 yards a down.



 



seems like a no brainer to me.


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I heard there is a rule about committing multiple fouls in a row to prevent an offense from moving the ball. The penalty is a touchdown.

 

So if it happened again was was deemed to be on purpose they would have been nailed.

 

But I dont think the rule has ever been used.

 

I agree though, the Giants got a big advantage from that.

 

I dont think it determined the game though.

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Originally Posted by Cantilever View Post

 

I dont think it determined the game though.

 

I don't either,

 

but I do think the competition committee should look at such plays.

 

 

 

IF Brady hooked up on a nice completion the penalty is declined.

 

fine

 

 

 

IF the 12 men result in a strong defensive play then I think the 5 yards should be awarded and the time put back on the clock,

 

it should be treated like a dead ball penalty.

 

 

 

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I don't either,

but I do think the competition committee should look at such plays.

 

IF Brady hooked up on a nice completion the penalty is declined.

fine

 

IF the 12 men result in a strong defensive play then I think the 5 yards should be awarded and the time put back on the clock,

it should be treated like a dead ball penalty.

 

 

Yeah I would say there should be an option to make it like when each team has a foul and they basically act like the play never happened. You get the time back, but dont get yards or a change in downs. Just a do over.

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I think that if you are going to get called for 12, why not get called for 14? Rush 7, drop 7 into coverage.

 

Some think the Giants may have done it on purpose. I dont believe that. They looked confused. Honestly that confusion could have screwed them.

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If done on purpose, it was a brilliant move.

 

I don't think it was done on purpose,

 

but they had 12 guys PLAYING defense,

 

it wasn't like one guy was just slow running off the field.

 

 

 

 

 

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I don't think it was done on purpose,

but they had 12 guys PLAYING defense,

it wasn't like one guy was just slow running off the field.

 

 

 

 

I really think the confusion could have made it a big problem though.

 

I wonder if the 12 man thing can be set up like Defensive offsides. When the D is offsides its a free play, BUT if the QB is about to get killed Im pretty sure they blow the whistle. I wonder if the offense can see the 12 guys and ask for the flag to be thrown before the play happens or is completed.

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Originally Posted by Cantilever View Post

 

I really think the confusion could have made it a big problem though.

 

I wonder if the 12 man thing can be set up like Defensive offsides. When the D is offsides its a free play, BUT if the QB is about to get killed Im pretty sure they blow the whistle. I wonder if the offense can see the 12 guys and ask for the flag to be thrown before the play happens or is completed.

 

just make the rule like I suggest,

 

under 2 minutes if the penalty is accepted put the time back on the clock,

 

if the penalty is refused the clock acts as if the flag wasn't thrown.

 

 

 

 

 

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the game cannot end with a defensive penalty

 

 

if they repeated the 12 man the penalty would be awarding a TD

 

 

 

I don't see this as a viable option to to deliberately end the game since you only get one shot (the TD penalty makes sure you don't do it on purpose a second time) and you are guaranteed another play.

 

 

 

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Unless it's a dead ball foul, the clock runs on every defensive penalty, and time is never put back on the clock. A defender could just as easily line up in the neutral zone, deliberately, as walk onto the field as the 12th man.

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Originally Posted by Ditch Jigger View Post

 

Unless it's a dead ball foul, the clock runs on every defensive penalty, and time is never put back on the clock. A defender could just as easily line up in the neutral zone, deliberately, as walk onto the field as the 12th man.

 

lining up in the neutral zone doesn't seem like it gives the competative advantage that having 12 defenders on the field does.

 

 

 

just saying,

 

 

 

a LOT of time went off the clock, for a 5 yard penalty.

 

 

 

If Bellechek (sp?) had the choice between the 5 yards and the time back, which do you think he'd rather have?

 

I don't like when a ruling seems to punish the WRONG team.

 

 

 

 

 

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I wouldn't object to a rule change that gives the offense the option to have time put back on the clock for any defensive penalty in the last 2 minutes of each half. They already have special replay rules.

 

 

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