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Weatherguy777, and others before him, have asked SOL members to help save Pacific Coast striped bass. 



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Originally Posted by weatherguy777 View Post

http://water4fish.org/striper/



The proposed regulations will be considered by the California Fish and Game Commission on February 2, 2012.  If you have enough interest to send a message about the new striped bass regulations to the California Fish and Game Commission, do so by January 27.  



 



icon14.gif   I believe I’ve sent my message to preserve striped bass—despite them being a problem. confused.gif



(The link in the post, quoted above, asks for a valid CA zip, but other zips in other states are apparently accepted further down in completing the e-message “send” process.)



 



cwm15.gif  This is what I see: 



Striped bass are a problem in sustaining the health of the Delta according to the Coalition for a Sustainable Delta who had filed suit against the California Department of Fish and Game (DFG) related to the management of striped bass.  However, “The lawsuit was funded by Stewart Resnick, the billionaire farmer and developer who sees this as an opportunity to once again try to blame the fish and fishermen for the problems in the Delta caused by overpumping,” according to water4fish.



 



In December, 2010, U.S. District Judge Oliver Wanger invalidated the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's regulatory plan, also known as a "biological opinion," for restricting water exports without adequate scientific justification and ignoring avoidable impacts on the economy.



 



Some in California have come to view striped bass as a non-native, voracious and invasive species that is known to feed upon endangered salmon and delta smelt in the Delta.  It is suggested that this is apparently a contributing factor in declining stocks of salmon and stocks of other fisheries. The Coalition notes that “federal regulators have all but shut down the commercial salmon fishery off the California coast in recent years.”



 



This has become a problem now, after about a hundred years since striped bass were introduced into Pacific waters and having, never before, any negative environmental impact. 



 



According to Coalition for a Sustainable Delta spokesman Michael Boccadoo, “there are a number of different stressors currently affecting the estuary … (making for) a very complex puzzle.”  Nevertheless, he further opines that “a solution to the significant negative impact striped bass have on the Delta ecosystem … is a vital step toward creating a sustainable future for the Delta estuary.”  Matt Mahon, another spokesman for the Coalition, said the case was settled because the state's own scientists "have said striped bass predation is an issue and they agreed with our position.”



 



The Department’s experts estimate the take could be as high as 25-50 percent annually of both the endangered Sacramento River winter-run and the threatened Central Valley spring-run Chinook salmon populations within the Delta; but, I have not found (nor rigorously sought) if this seemingly high percentage is of what is presently left as an annual run or,a percentage of some other benchmark of what the runs used to be before the cookie jar was plundered.  



 



However, while the state apparently sides with the coalition, one needs to wonder why the California Department of Fish and Game has agreed to reserve $1 million to support research on predation of protected fish species in the delta.  Will striped bass be considered predators; therefore, become less protected, in order to facilitate the harvest and utilization of other natural resources?



 



Another concern of the coalition is the amount of water that is pumped from the delta for farmers and water contractors that were among litigating parties.  “Hundreds of thousands of acres of productive farmland were fallowed since 2008, resulting in the loss of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in econiomic activity."



 



The salmon stocks are also affected by the poor condition of the ocean, Killer Whales, seals and, commercial fishing.  Sucking up new spawn of smelt with pumps, to send water elsewhere, is being managed by interested parties through their suit against the State Water Resources Control Board and federal government. 



 



An interim plan eases pumping restrictions somewhat in the south delta, allowing the State Water Project and Central Valley Project to draw more water if the best available science and ongoing real-time assessment of conditions in the delta show that additional pumping would not harm the smelt and its critical habitat.



 



headscratch.gif   Maybe we should challenge their coalition of interests, with an SOL coalition of monetarily disinterested—but not uninterested—members.



 



So, all’s well that ends well.  bucktooth.gif



 



Credit must be made to the California Farm Bureau Federation, for a significant amount of information that I provided, above.


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nthered,

Finally someone that gets it. You gathered information and have seen through the smoke screen of the Resnick propaganda machine. The farce that they call them selves a "sustainable Delta" group makes me sick and are looking for air headed tree huggers to believe in their lies.

I will add that there has never been a study in over a 100 years where wild salmon smolts were strictly targeted by striper. The reason is these two species don't habitat the same area's of the system at the same time.

Over a 150 years of living in the same estuary and these two species have lived with no problem. Were fighting Billionaire corporations with endless supply of money who will gain billions more money by reselling water to the public. It's not used for the farms, they get the water at a super low price and then resell to the Southern California cities for huge profit.

We are not looking to stop exports we just want a better plan of distribution and usage.

To put this into East coast terms think about the trawlers from North Carolina and the destruction that is happening to the striper stocks. Even the North Carolina public agrees its wrong and want better control. But big money, paid off Judges and politicians keep this stupid slaughter happening. This is why we need you east coast guys, we west coast guys on SOL fight for the east coast fisheries. Every time were asked to sign a petition and sign a letter for you we do. I would hope others will do the same for us. We are brothers in love with a special breed of fish. No matter where it now lives.

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Feb 2nd at 830am is the CF&G meeting on the proposed changes....here is the info.

 

State of California

FISH AND GAME COMMISSION

(916) 653-4899

www.fgc.ca.gov

Resources Building

Meeting of First Floor Auditorium

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February 2, 2012 (Thursday) 1416 Ninth Street

8:30 a.m.

2 Sacramento

AGENDA3

 

ALL MEETINGS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC

1. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON PROPOSED CHANGES TO

SECTIONS 550, 551, 552, 630, AND 703, ADDITION OF SECTION 550.5, AND REPEAL

SECTION 553, TITLE 14, CCR, RE: PUBLIC USE OF DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME

LANDS.

2. RECEIPT OF DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATION AND POSSIBLE COMMISSION

DIRECTION ON THE REQUEST FROM KNOCEAN SCIENCES, INC. TO LEASE KELP

BED NO. 3, SAN DIEGO COUNTY, FOR EXCLUSIVE HARVEST OF KELP.

3. CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE RE-ADOPTION OF EMERGENCY ACTION TO CLOSE

SONOMA COUNTY TO ABALONE FISHING (Note: This action is intended to make the

emergency closure expire the day before the scheduled season opener of April 1, 2012.)

4. RECEIPT OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY ON PROPOSED CHANGES TO SECTIONS 28.29,

52.10 AND 150.16, TITLE 14, CCR, RE: GREENLINGS. (Note: The adoption hearing is

scheduled for March 7, 2012 in Riverside.)

5. RECEIPT OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY ON PROPOSED CHANGES TO SECTION 27.80,

TITLE 14, CCR, RE: OCEAN SALMON. (Note: The discussion/adoption hearing is

scheduled for March 7, 2012 in Riverside.)

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These facilities are accessible to persons with disabilities. To request reasonable accommodations for a disability, please contact California

Relay Service at 1 (800) 735-2929 (TT) or 1 (800) 735-2922 (Voice) and ask them to contact the California Fish and Game Commission at

(916) 653-4899.

 

2

The Commission may break for lunch at approximately 12:00 noon.

 

3

The public is encouraged to comment on any item on the agenda. In order for the Commission to adequately consider public comments, the

public is requested to submit written comments no later than ten days prior to the meeting. Written comments received fewer than ten days

preceding the meeting will be submitted to the Commission at the meeting; however, Commission staff is unable to deliver material received

one day before and on the day of the meeting to the Commissioners when the meeting is not in Sacramento. Please send your comments to

be received no later than two days before the meeting.

If you decide to speak at the Commission meeting, please begin by giving your name and affiliation (if any) and the number of people

represented by your organization. Then tell the Commission your concerns. Time allotted for each agenda item depends upon the number of

speakers for each item and the length of the agenda. The Commission is interested in your views; don't worry about how to say them. If

several people have spoken, try not to be repetitious. If there are several with the same concerns, please try to appoint a spokesperson. The

Commission is particularly interested in the specific reasons you are for or against a proposal because the Commission's decision needs to be

based on specific reasons.

If you would like to present handouts/written material to the Commission at the meeting, please provide eleven (11) copies.

 

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6. (A) PURSUANT TO FISH AND GAME CODE SECTIONS 2075 AND 2075.5,

CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE PETITION AND THE

DEPARTMENT’S ONE YEAR STATUS REPORT/RECOMMENDATION ON THE

PETITION TO LIST THE MOUNTAIN YELLOW-LEGGED FROG (

Rana muscosa

and R. sierrae) AS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES AND ADOPTION OF

COMMISSION FINDINGS.

(B) REQUEST FOR AUTHORIZATION TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF COMMISSION

INTENT TO AMEND SECTION 670.5, TITLE 14, CCR, RE: ADDITION OF

MOUNTAIN YELLOW-LEGGED FROG (Rana muscosa and R. sierrae) TO THE

LIST OF ANIMALS OF CALIFORNIA DECLARED TO BE ENDANGERED OR

THREATENED. (Note: This Item will only be considered if the Commission makes a

finding that listing the Mountain Yellow-legged frog as threatened or endangered is

warranted.)

 

CONSENT CALENDAR

7. REQUEST FOR AUTHORIZATION TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF COMMISSION INTENT TO

AMEND SECTION 7.50, TITLE 14, CCR, RE: KLAMATH-TRINITY SPORT FISHING

REGULATIONS. (Note: The discussion hearing is scheduled for March 7, 2012 in

Riverside. The adoption hearing is scheduled for April 11, 2012 in Eureka.

8. REQUEST FOR AUTHORIZATION TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF COMMISSION INTENT TO

AMEND SECTION 7.50, TITLE 14, CCR, RE: CENTRAL VALLEY SPORT FISHING

REGULATIONS. (Note: The discussion hearing is scheduled for March 7, 2012, meeting in

Riverside. The adoption hearing is scheduled for April 11, 2012 in Eureka.

SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS AND DISCUSSION

9. REQUEST FOR AUTHORIZATION TO PUBLISH NOTICE OF COMMISSION INTENT TO

AMEND STRIPED BASS SPORT FISHING REGULATIONS.

(A) PRESENTATION OF DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME PROPOSAL.

(B) PRESENTATION BY ALLIED FISHING GROUPS ORGANIZATION.

ELECTION OF OFFICERS AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON SUBCOMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS

.

10. ELECTION OF PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT.

11. SUBCOMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS.

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INFORMATIONAL ITEMS

12. RECEIPT OF DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME INFORMATIONAL ITEMS.

(A) RECEIPT OF DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME DIRECTOR’S REPORT.

(B) WILDLIFE AND FISHERIES/ECOSYSTEM CONSERVATION DIVISION UPDATE.

© LAW ENFORCEMENT DIVISION UPDATE.

(D) UPDATE ON IMPLEMENTATION OF THE AUTOMATED LICENSE DATA SYSTEM.

(E) UPDATE ON NORTH COAST STUDY REGION ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT

REPORT AND REGULATORY TIMELINE.

(F) UPDATE ON FILLING THE AQUACULTURE COORDINATOR POSITION.

(G) OTHER.

13. RECEIPT AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON COMMISSION INFORMATIONAL ITEMS.

(A) SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

(II) MARINE RESOURCES COMMITTEE.

(II) AL TAUCHER COMMITTEE.

(III) BUDGET COMMITTEE.

(IV) OTHER.

(B) ITEMS THAT DID NOT MAKE AGENDA AND NEED TO BE RESCHEDULED.

(I) RECEIPT OF ANNUAL REPORTS RE: CAMP ROBERTS,

CAMP PENDLETON, AND FORT HUNTER LIGGETT DEER AND ELK

HUNTS, UNDER SECTION 640, TITLE 14, CCR, MANAGEMENT OF FISH

AND WILDLIFE ON MILITARY LANDS.

© NEW BUSINESS/COMMISSION FOLLOW-UP, MEETING REVIEW, AND STAFF

DIRECTION.

(D) ANNOUNCEMENT OF FUTURE MEETINGS.

14. RECEIPT OF LEGISLATIVE REPORTS.

(A) DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME REPORT.

15. RECEIPT OF FEDERAL AGENCIES INFORMATIONAL ITEMS.

16. RECEIPT OF LEGAL COUNSEL INFORMATIONAL ITEMS.

17. ANNOUNCEMENT OF RESULTS FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

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18. PUBLIC FORUM–

Any member of the public may address and/or ask questions of the Commission relating

to the implementation of its policies or any other matter within the jurisdiction of the Commission. The issue to be

discussed should not be related to any item on the current agenda. As a general rule, action cannot be taken on

issues not listed on the agenda. At the discretion of the Commission, staff may be requested to follow up on such

items. Submittal of written comments is encouraged to ensure that all comments will be included in the record

before the Commission. Please be prepared to summarize your comments to the time allocated by the President.

 

EXECUTIVE SESSION

(NOT OPEN TO PUBLIC)

PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORITY OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 11126(a)(1) AND (e)(1),

AND SECTION 309 OF THE FISH AND GAME CODE, THE COMMISSION WILL MEET IN

CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION. THE PURPOSE OF THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION IS TO

CONSIDER:

A. PENDING LITIGATION TO WHICH THE COMMISSION IS A PARTY.

I. BIG CREEK LUMBER COMPANY AND CENTRAL COAST FOREST ASSOC. vs.

CALIFORNIA FISH AND GAME COMMISSION RE: COHO LISTING, SOUTH OF

SAN FRANCISCO.

II. JAMES BUNN AND JOHN GIBBS vs. CALIFORNIA FISH AND GAME

COMMISSION RE: SQUID PERMITS.

III. KERN COUNTY WATER AGENCY vs. CALIFORNIA FISH AND GAME

COMMISSION, DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME, DEPARTMENT OF WATER

RESOURCES RE: STATE WATER PROJECT AND CALIFORNIA ENDANGERED

SPECIES ACT.

IV. TACY LEE vs. CALIFORNIA FISH AND GAME COMMISSION AND DEPARTMENT

OF FISH AND GAME RE: DENIAL OF TRANSFER OF LOBSTER OPERATOR

PERMIT.

V. CENTER FOR BIOLOGICAL DIVERSITY vs. CALIFORNIA FISH AND GAME

COMMISSION AND DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME RE: PACIFIC FISHER.

VI. UNITED ANGLERS OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA; COASTSIDE FISHING CLUB;

AND ROBERT C. FLETCHER vs. CALIFORNIA FISH AND GAME COMMISSION

RE: SOUTH COAST STUDY REGION AND NORTH CENTRAL COAST STUDY

REGION MARINE PROTECTED AREAS UNDER THE MARINE PROTECTION

ACT.

VII. MARILLEY vs. FISH AND GAME COMMISSION AND DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND

GAME RE: COMMERCIAL FISHING PERMIT FEES.

B. POSSIBLE LITIGATION INVOLVING THE COMMISSION.

C. STAFF PERFORMANCE AND COMPENSATION.

D. RECEIPT OF HEARING OFFICER RECOMMENDATIONS ON LICENSE AND PERMIT

ITEMS.

I. THOMAS NOTO - DENIAL TO REINSTATE SALMON VESSEL PERMIT FOR THE

F/V

CALIFORNIA GIRL.

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http://goldengatesalmonassociation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Striper-Proposal-GGSA-Final.pdf

 

To show you how bogus this destruction of the striper fishery is this is the letter from the Commercial Salmon group. If you don't want to read it it basically discredit the reasoning behind slaughtering the stripers. Don't you think if they felt the stripers were a problem they would have jumped aboard in destroying them? No they understand its a smoke screen set up by the water rapers.

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Also with no changes to any striper regulations (yet) we had a VERY successful year with Salmon spawning...check this out...they have met quota. ;)

 

Salmon have flooded into state and federal fish hatcheries in the past month. The key indicator, the arrival of two-year-old salmon, also predicts the ocean off the Bay Area coast will be full of fish next summer.

 

Trips to Nimbus Hatchery last week on the American River near Sacramento and to the Coleman National Fish Hatchery on Battle Creek near the Sacramento River unveiled great news for salmon, the people who fish for them, and those who love to eat them.

 

At Nimbus, adults and youngsters alike watched the salmon swim up the American River, jump up the fish ladders to the hatchery, and occasionally make spectacular jumps in the river. It’s the best show in years.

 

All the news is good.

 

At Coleman, 55,000 spawn-ready salmon returned to Battle Creek this fall, 42,000 to the hatchery, up from lows of 14,000 and 10,000, respectively in 2008, reported Brett Galyean at the hatchery.

 

The number of 2-year-old salmon, or jacks, which is used to predict next year’s run, has been mind-bending, 22,800, up from 721 in in 2009 and 5,500 in 2010.

 

This year’s egg take at Coleman was 13 million before they shut down the gates on the fish ladders. Those eggs are now being used to produce 12 million smolts, or juvenile salmon, which will be released in April.

 

Nimbus Hatchery on the American River had similar great news.

 

The hatchery has met its egg-take goal of 6.6 million, reported hatchery manager Paula Hoover, and plan to meet their goal of releasing 4 million salmon in the coming spring. The number of jacks was also up, with 4,000 more at this date compared to a year ago.

 

Most adult salmon are three and four years old. The number of jacks – the smaller 2-year-olds — is critical for federal and state biologists to plan next year’s season. The ratio is roughly 30 jacks to 1 adult. So large numbers of jacks now is an indicator of excellent ocean feed conditions and a big year for salmon in 2012.

 

“This year’s run is tremendous, 55,0000 to Battle Creek,” said Galyean at the Coleman hatchery. “I’ve been here four years, and you could add those years up and it wouldn’t add up to that.”

 

He called the jack return “extremely high.”

 

“It shows the ocean conditions are a lot better,” he said. “We use it as an indicator for next year’s return.”

 

Hoover at Nimbus was also thrilled.

 

“The return of jacks is quite high,” she said. “Our adult fish runs are about normal, not high or low,” and a normal year coming after the the declines of 2007-2009 is great news. “We’ve met the quota, made our production goals.”

 

Another significant note: Up north, a check with the huge fish hatchery near the Bonneville Dam on the Columbia River system showed similar large numbers of returning adult and jack salmon.

 

To tour the Nimbus Hatchery, plug this address into your GPS: 2001 Nimbus Road, 
Gold River, CA 95670, near Fair Oaks. For information, call (916) 358-2829 or go to dfg.ca.gov.

 

To tour the Coleman Hatchery, plug this into your GPS: 2411 Coleman Fish Hatchery Road, Anderson, 96007. For information, call (530) 365-8222 or go to fws.gov/coleman.

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Winch and norcalkat, your latest posts provide additional and telling information.



 



Which way the wind is blowing is a decision made by nature.  However, we have seen that which way the water flows, the world over, is often directed by the “needs” of man.



 



Nature does what it does, but when man has a hand in it, to bend it to his own purposes, everyone is expected to accept that there may rarely be acceptable proof of negative consequences unless every possible variable in the natural world is analyzed to determine its influence and the collective influence of all of its various interactions with all other contributing natural factorsthe proof.



 



An intuitive sense, to be conservative and prudent, is to be merely dismissed because this cannot be proven.  If the consensus of majority decision-making is in opposition to special interests, the aggrieved interested parties can always sue.  The resolution will made based upon the judgment of a man who has more understanding of the laws of man than of the laws of nature.



 



Will a decision by DFG to not enact the proposed regulations affecting striped bass be considered a failure to abide by a court decision?  Must the divide and conquer tactic of separating the natural relationship between that which is under the control of Department of Water Resources and that which is under the control of DFG prevail? 



 



It seems to me that a suit against these, by a coalition, might be best defended in necessarily recognizing that the purported problem is the combined result of two independent decision processes.


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The time to make a statement is nigh (Jan.27). 



 



If you haven’t given a thought to reaching out to our West Coast fishing breather and members of our Joe Six-Pack Fellowship of “We the People,” think about it: 




  • the resources and beauty of the environment, that should be common to all; verses,

  • the influence that can be wielded in order to disregard this, and bring the designs of special interests to fruition.

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This is an inportant issue for the striper fisherpeople on the westcoast. I used to be one. I went to the link to the Department Of Fish & Game Commissioners Website signing to protest letter. Being out of state it also pulls some weight. The blaming of the striped bass for the almost extinction of the salmon is rediculas :mad: Three miles off of the coastlines are fishing factories that just used to devastate the salmon populations not to mention the insecteside being sprayed on the crops of the central valley and the run off going into the delta and bays. Another factor is the American Indian harvesting techniques and their right to take all they want even without a fishing license(not that I have anything against the American Indians or their rights). After well over a 100 year of being on the west coast(the striped bass was planted in Lake Temescal in Oakland way back in the 1890's) it is just not true blaming the striped bass for the downfall of the salmon. Oh yes I must mention the damning of the rivers in California preventing the salmon from getting up to their spawning grounds :mad: So it is to the best interest of all of the SOL community(members & visitors) to participate in this defllamitory action against the westcoast striped bass because if it can happen in the west it will not be too long that these governing bodies will try the same thing in the east. The extinction of the striped bass :mad:

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Hey Winch how much do you reckon it cost you in 'Bass Stamps' for the privilege of fishing for them? Seems that they whistled a very different tune in the past and were much more concerned with preserving the states 'precious' resources..

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 Kinda obvious they want the Eco-nazis in their camp. If they didn't, they'd recommend the population control of the seals & sea lions which probably consume more salmon. An adult salmon eaten before it spawns = thousands of salmon! Thinkin' about it, wish they would carp about the Pinipeds, maybe the Eco's would stop drinking water in protest!bigeyes.gif


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Hey Winch how much do you reckon it cost you in 'Bass Stamps' for the privilege of fishing for them? Seems that they whistled a very different tune in the past and were much more concerned with preserving the states 'precious' resources..

 

CROW!!!!!! Good to see your still alive. ;)

Sad part about the Bass stamps is we all were for them. They were to "enhance our striper fishery" instead they with held the money and used it in the states General fund and then it simply disappeared. F'n crooked aholes

 

So Crow when you coming west?

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Alive and kicking. I just have been caught up with a whole new life and fishing time was scarce. But I hope to have a lot more time this season. I haven"t been out your way in quite a while and I don"t think I can make it soon, maybe we can touch base when you get this way. Hope life is treating you well.

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