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. And how much compassion is displayed with mocking language like "Weekend at Bernie's" and "Playing with a dead baby" and the like?

 

 

 

honestly?

 

not much compassion,

 

but I think it's LESS directed at Santorum

 

and MORE directed to shock those who claim their reaction was normal..... playing and sleeping with a fetus isn't normal,

 

taking it home isn't normal.

 

 

 

this wasn't a fully developed baby that died inexplicably after child birth.

 

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I feel bad for the Santorum's losing a child. I really do. It's an awful situation.

However, that doesn't preclude me from knowing that taking the corpse of a twenty week old fetus to bed with your for the night falls under the "very wierd" bordering on "crazy" classification. Anyone that says otherwise is just exhibiting their partisanship. It is wierd, and it's okay to admit as much. It doesn't denote a lack of compassion, but rather, an embrace of reality.

 

And where does "Weekend At Bernie's" fall on your compassion/partisanship scale? Mocking language is not "admitting" anything, it's an attack. The whole issue is an avenue of attack employing the death of a child and the pain of bereaved parents for political purposes. Let it go and nail him on something else; there should be a few things outside the pale.

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honestly?

not much compassion,

but I think it's LESS directed at Santorum

and MORE directed to shock those who claim their reaction was normal..... playing and sleeping with a fetus isn't normal,

taking it home isn't normal.

 

this wasn't a fully developed baby that died inexplicably after child birth.

 

Less directed at Santorum? Honestly? Would this story have ever surfaced on this forum it it hadn't been dredged up originally as a line of attack? I'm going to violate my decision not to offer a defense of Santorum's actions because I believe this story itself should have never come to pass but I will this once. From Jeffrey Goldberg in The Atlantic:

 

 

...spending time with a stillborn child (or one who died shortly after birth, as in the Santorum case) is commonly recommended. The matter of taking the child home for a few hours is less common, but they did it so that their other children could also spend a little time with the deceased child, and that is definitely recommended. For example, here's the official page of the American Pregnancy Association (an association of health-care providers that treat pregnant women) about stillbirth. It recommends that parents spend time with the child, as the Santorums did, and the APA writes:

 

 

With the loss of your baby, your family members will also grieve. Your baby is someone's granddaughter, brother, cousin, nephew or sister. It is important for your family members to spend time with the baby. This will help them come to terms with their loss. If you have other children, it is very important to be honest with them about what has happened by using simple and honest explanations. It is your decision whether you would like the children to see the baby. Ask for a Child Life Specialist at the hospital; these are trained professionals who can help you prepare your children for the heartbreaking news, and prepare them to see the baby if you wish.

 

This is basically what the Santorum family did. They also had a funeral, which is often done in these kinds of situations. It seems to be enormously helpful to people in a moment of terrible pain. So Robinson, like Colmes, was speaking out of a seemingly bottomless well of ignorance.

 

Again, your use of the word "playing" in reference to this dead child pretty much sums it all up because it shows that you're framing the event in a way designed to make it seem odd (as if there's any "normal' way to grieve the death of an infant). Playing with a dead baby is weird, but only if you "play" with a dead baby.

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I feel bad for the Santorum's losing a child. I really do. It's an awful situation.

However, that doesn't preclude me from knowing that taking the corpse of a twenty week old fetus to bed with you for the night falls under the "very weird" bordering on "crazy" classification. Anyone that says otherwise is just exhibiting their partisanship. It is weird, and it's okay to admit as much. It doesn't denote a lack of compassion, but rather, an embrace of reality.

 

 

Again, I concur. I'm somewhat cordial with a born again Baptist Christian family. I've had my issues with them, (one that I suffered a debilitating physical injury because Christ was not in my life. :kook:..:mad:), but in time we more or less reconciled. Sadly, the wife was prone to miscarriage, and suffered many. I recall them burying one miscarried fetus as though it had been live borne, but I don't believe they snuggled with it. In time, they had seven children; not a stinker among them, I'm rather surprised to say.

 

My issue is with the 'progressive' smear machine which throws these issues out there, a smack across the face, and then apologizes for it like it never happened. But the damage is done; the seed smear is planted. And that is what they planned all along. I think it is a most despicable tactic, but it is all the failed 'progressives' have. I fully expect to see much more of it. :dismay:

 

 

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Fixed it for you.

 

And then used by the left as a line of mockery and attack for partisan gain?

 

The name of the book is "Letters To Gabriel". one Amazon Review:

 

 

In Letters to Gabriel, Senator Rick Santorum's Wife tells the heartbreaking but ultimately uplifting story of their son's tragically brief life. A severe prenatal development led to his very early delivery, and although his time on earth lasted a mere two hours, his existence added something to the world. In that short lifetime, he experienced decades of love from devoted parents-grateful for the miracle that he was born alive and that they had two hours to love him.

 

Anyone who is a parent, godparent, uncle, aunt, or loves a child will be greatly moved by this simultaneously despairing and joyous story. Your heart will break for Karen Santorum and her family, but you'll also feel a strong admiration for her. The Santorums will never fully recover from Gabrial's death but they are obviously better parents-in fact better people-for having known him.

 

Letters to Gabriel is the legacy of a baby whose abbreviated life impacted more people than many of us will touch in fifty years. Like most roller-coaster rides, it is rather short-less than 175 pages, but your emotions careen through the pages for a very memorable journey.

 

In addition to Karen's moving letters, the book benefits from Dr. Laura Schlessinger's sapient introduction and a very poignant introduction by Mother Teresa written three months before her death.

 

Some things should be let alone.

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And then used by the left as a line of mockery and attack for partisan gain?

Some things should be let alone.

 

Some things should be left alone. Those things aren't in books for sale on Amazon .com.

 

Of course, it will be politicized by political entertainers. Weird and creepy sells. Plus, the fact that Rick Santorum and his wife took a dead fetus to bed with them is worthy of review. It's something I know that I'd want to know before electing someone to the highest office in the land.

 

Neverhteless, here's the bottom line: if the Santorum's didn't write a book about what happened, no one would know and no one would use it in a critical manner. They decided to share and attempt to profit from the ordeal which exposed them to potential blowback. If they didn't want any flames coming their way, they shouldn't have detailed the incident in a book they wrote and published.

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Some things should be left alone. Those things aren't in books for sale on Amazon .com.

Of course, it will be politicized by political entertainers. Weird and creepy sells. Plus, the fact that Rick Santorum and his wife took a dead fetus to bed with them is worthy of review. It's something I know that I'd want to know before electing someone to the highest office in the land.

Neverhteless, here's the bottom line: if the Santorum's didn't write a book about what happened, no one would know and no one would use it in a critical manner. They decided to share and attempt to profit from the ordeal which exposed them to potential blowback. If they didn't want any flames coming their way, they shouldn't have detailed the incident in a book they wrote and published.

 

They don't deserved to be mocked for it.

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I feel bad for the Santorum's losing a child. I really do. It's an awful situation.

However, that doesn't preclude me from knowing that taking the corpse of a twenty week old fetus to bed with you for the night falls under the "very weird" bordering on "crazy" classification. Anyone that says otherwise is just exhibiting their partisanship. It is weird, and it's okay to admit as much. It doesn't denote a lack of compassion, but rather, an embrace of reality.

 

It's unfortunate that you did not choose to make this type of reply right out of the gate.

 

Would have saved you some anklebiting.

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weekend and bernies....playing......etc those are mocking.

 

they are,

 

but it's the sort of escalation that happens in this sort of debate.

 

 

 

"What they did was wierd"

 

"No, what they did was normal and has a basis in traditional American values.  We used to do this all the time"

 

 

 

insert (slightly) over the top comparison in order to frame their actions better.

 

 

 

 

 

what they did was MORE weekend at Bernies than it was a traditional home wake.

 

 

 

 

 

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