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It is actual a shame that this subforum receives selective enforcement of rules and is probably a major contributing factor for so many not posting any more.

 

Please, I didn't want to derail the new guy's excellent thread, but I would love to hear more about this - please continue :)

 

 

TimS

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I don't know what is specifically being referenced, but its true to some extent. Only because its impossible to know everyone who's selling their plugs commercially, and if they are what plugs are they selling and which ones they are fishing themselves. As a moderator of the forum, I am not interested in playing Sherlock Holmes and searching the internet for clues. The ones that are obvious are usually taken care of.

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Tim…

 

Take a look into my most recent sent PM. If you have any difficulty or for some reason are unable to do so I can forwarded that to you.

 

Also feel free to give me a phone call and we can discuss what, in my view has been a downward trend in the building forum.

 

As for directly putting people on blast in the public forum, well that is not my place nor do I want it to be, but one can only bite there tong for so long. They know who they are and know how they are viewed by those that inspired them.

 

Why do you think the builders from the past don’t post?

What will happen when the current group gets tired of building the same plug and doesn’t know how to build something new, because no one gave them a how to or gave them a plug to duplicate?

How will the new comers, learn from guys that can’t tell you why they build a plug a specific way, or the conditions that plug was designed for?

 

Selling for copied plugs is/was the one area were SOL stood above the rest, and that has, in my opinion, changed for the worse.

 

Jason

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I haven't been in here much the past few months, but I must say am shocked that the old regulars, the sages who have guided and nurtured so many, are nowhere to be found.:(

 

Jiggy is still in the house, and The Greek and Sporty Guy share regularly, but the vast vast majority of the thread starters on the first 3 pages are guys other than the stalwarts.

 

Not sure what happened, but it would be great if it could unhappen Tim.

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Like CharlieM, I cannot read all of the threads here nor do I have the time to do the Sherlock Holmes thing. If the folks here see some abusing the forum to promote their own sales, hit the alert button and provide a link or something. I'm sure one of us will check into it and take the appropriate action.

 

As far as builders not showing up as much, it happens. Probably a number of reasons for that and something that happens on all sites that I visit. I think its also worth pointing out that just because someone is new to the forum does not mean that they are new to building. numbskull and rockfish are two who come to mind. They may not have been on the forum for as long as many of us, but have fished and built plugs for longer than most of us. Plenty that even the "old farts" can learn from folks like that.

 

In terms of threads on the nuts and bolts (how to it work), they still happen. Not has much as in the past :( Start seeing more of those types of threads and you'll likely get some of the older builders interested in posting again. Yeah, plug porn is cool, and some of the builders here are light-years ahead of anything that I could paint. It takes a good mix of those, and newer builders asking specific questions on how to build a certain plug, or for certain condition (and following through) to keep a forum lively and interesting for a larger audience. I don't think TimS, or any other single person could do all that.

 

Oh, and as far as bringing back some of the old crowd, I'll offer a free plug to anyone who can get guzz to start coming by here on at least a semi-regular basis. Sort of miss that coal-cracker ;)

 

Ok Winch, your turn :p

 

Jigman

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Seems as if this plug building stuff is like building Stradivarius violins. The old masters have thumbed their noses at the undeserving hordes of new builders that seek to destroy what is good with their "cheap" replicas of others' masterpieces.

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I think people come and go for varying reasons, I haven't posted much since the kids were born, some guys hardly build anymore, others have been chased off by ball busters or copy cats.

The biggest recent change I've noticed has come from the commercial BST. I've never had much extra cash to support the SOL store, I wish I could spend more, but I remember a policy Tim had where no lures would be offered for sale that don't have his personal recommendation. Either thats changed or Tim has a lot of time to fish many builders lures. I will also choose to leave names out of this but one builder comes to mind who seems to...ummm..."be heavily inspired" by others work which then gets offered for sale here. The commercial lure market has blown wide open, people get sick of trying to share a cool idea, the post has 600 views and 2 comments and then you see half assed versions of the lures you've shared up for sale on the BST or EBAY. I would imagine it can be frustrating.

As far as the rules not being the same, I don't know, but I'd like to see the guys posting in the commercial BST not putting their stuff up on display in the hobby forum, the good ones don't do it anyway.

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Its all confusing to me. I just started building plugs this year. I will never go commercial. I do it for fun. I started with trying to replicate a BM Schoolie. I liked the profile and you have a hard time finding one. The one I had did not swim good at all. I am not that technical to make an exact copy. I came fairly close to making one and tweaked it a little and it swims good and catches. Does this make me a bad guy?? It gave me some confidence making a plug from another and seeing where weighting is and belly hooks go etc. I am not a wood worker by any means so this helped me with an addiction once I got started and also helped me with weighting and such that now when I tweak things I have a little better understanding.

 

Pikies....How many designs are out there???? Where did the original come from?? Lots of people make them. I have seen them from 3/4 oz up to 8 oz. So if I make a Pikie am I copying them? I'm sure that with what I come up with you would be able to find one out there that looks the same.

 

What about Bombers, Rapalas, Rebels, G2 Tigers, Sharp Eye, and I am sure there are more. Same design....

 

Spoon lip swimmers/Z lip swimmers...There are quite a few that look the same....should they not be building plugs?

 

What about BM, Musso, Pichney, Atom,....don't they have plugs that look the same???

 

Some of the commercial sellers on this site have very similar plugs.

 

This is where I get confused. How can a new builder build something in line of "common" plugs that are out there and not get pissed on by some of the more seasoned builders because they say that it is copying or duplicating others??

 

I love reading some of the technical post as to lips, weights, woods, roll, wiggle, top water or diving, and painting/sealing tips but they are far and few.

 

I hope to contribute more as I get a little more experience under my belt and hopefully help some people out.

 

I get what has been said about particular builders being inspired by other builders. But that is not the majority from what I have seen. There have been some very innovative builders that I have seen leave this site because of negative comments in their threads. Its too bad as we all lose out.

 

Hopefully some of builders return.

 

Jamie

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I think people come and go for varying reasons, I haven't posted much since the kids were born, some guys hardly build anymore, others have been chased off by ball busters or copy cats.

The biggest recent change I've noticed has come from the commercial BST. I've never had much extra cash to support the SOL store, I wish I could spend more, but I remember a policy Tim had where no lures would be offered for sale that don't have his personal recommendation. Either thats changed or Tim has a lot of time to fish many builders lures. I will also choose to leave names out of this but one builder comes to mind who seems to...ummm..."be heavily inspired" by others work which then gets offered for sale here. The commercial lure market has blown wide open, people get sick of trying to share a cool idea, the post has 600 views and 2 comments and then you see half assed versions of the lures you've shared up for sale on the BST or EBAY. I would imagine it can be frustrating.

As far as the rules not being the same, I don't know, but I'd like to see the guys posting in the commercial BST not putting their stuff up on display in the hobby forum, the good ones don't do it anyway.

 

Very well said Benny. I would of used the old two by four and it would have been a huge gasoline fire thread. ;)

I find that I now just skip over threads started by guys that put "their handle" into the title of the thread they start. :wee:

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I think people come and go for varying reasons, I haven't posted much since the kids were born, some guys hardly build anymore, others have been chased off by ball busters or copy cats.

The biggest recent change I've noticed has come from the commercial BST. I've never had much extra cash to support the SOL store, I wish I could spend more, but I remember a policy Tim had where no lures would be offered for sale that don't have his personal recommendation. Either thats changed or Tim has a lot of time to fish many builders lures. I will also choose to leave names out of this but one builder comes to mind who seems to...ummm..."be heavily inspired" by others work which then gets offered for sale here. The commercial lure market has blown wide open, people get sick of trying to share a cool idea, the post has 600 views and 2 comments and then you see half assed versions of the lures you've shared up for sale on the BST or EBAY. I would imagine it can be frustrating.

As far as the rules not being the same, I don't know, but I'd like to see the guys posting in the commercial BST not putting their stuff up on display in the hobby forum, the good ones don't do it anyway.

 

well said benny, and i cant wait for u to find the tme to play again, super fan of your work, and ur skills are missed

 

Etch

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Im no plug builder but have lots of friends who do build and its a true shame what goes on in the plug building community...whos ripping who off

whos putting down whos stuff ....whos crying over whos selling there stuff at shows or on websites .....WHO CARES ....build what you build ...give

it to who ever you want to have it ....make what you want ....sell your stuff if you want....if it swimms as good as it looks and producess for you or others

and people want it good for for you thats what its all about...if you have things to say to degrade people keep it to yourself why cause and make a big

stink and throw dibbs and jabs at people...to me sometimes it looks like alot of people are jelouse of others ...STOP WHO CARES ....LIFE IS TO SHORT

TO WORRY ABOUT OTHERS ...YOU COULD BE GONE TOMORROW ...GOD BLESS ....alot of serious talent on this site and alot that havent posted in

a long time ...hope to see them come back and share some of there AMAZING SKILLS AND TALENTS

 

 

 

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I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but I think we need another Mokes (or Mokes has to get some free time and get the brain spinning again). What I mean is one or two guys, like me, him, and few others, who got the plug building bug bad. New guys that used the search function, but still have thousands of questions.

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evil…you are spot on who cares….

Who cares if you follow the rules of SOL

Who cares if you offend those who once made this forum one of the better sights to come learn about and/or build saltwater lures?

 

I guess there is no value in history.

Lets not recognize those who put in the time to figure out a great plug. Lets not recognize those that thought outside the box to get something to swim in a situations that nothing else would.

 

Life is too short….probably why many of this forums best builders have walked away from the disgrace that this page has become. Maybe this page is a direct reflection of society. A place where people once valued and respected community that has now shifted toward doing everything for individual gain. Maybe I have just not kept up with the shift and still respect others.

 

As someone who catches mostly on my own stuff, or stuff of people I know personally and even more so on bucktails, I don’t worry? I do how ever feel bad for the new guy who buys a lure at a show, online or at a tackle shop from a builder who was asking “how to” questions in the same year they started selling.

 

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Well said Steve. "To each his own".

 



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Originally Posted by evil stevel View Post

Im no plug builder but have lots of friends who do build and its a true shame what goes on in the plug building community...whos ripping who off

whos putting down whos stuff ....whos crying over whos selling there stuff at shows or on websites .....WHO CARES ....build what you build ...give

it to who ever you want to have it ....make what you want ....sell your stuff if you want....if it swimms as good as it looks and producess for you or others

and people want it good for for you thats what its all about...if you have things to say to degrade people keep it to yourself why cause and make a big

stink and throw dibbs and jabs at people...to me sometimes it looks like alot of people are jelouse of others ...STOP WHO CARES ....LIFE IS TO SHORT

TO WORRY ABOUT OTHERS ...YOU COULD BE GONE TOMORROW ...GOD BLESS ....alot of serious talent on this site and alot that havent posted in

a long time ...hope to see them come back and share some of there AMAZING SKILLS AND TALENTS

 



 



 


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Theres a group of “original” saltwater plug builders whose work we ALL copy to some extent. We take the designs and turn them to our specs and make them swim. Of course theres “rip-offs”… how many danny bodies look that much different from a danny body?

Murat, Sylvester, Pinchney, Gibbs, Snook, Creek Chub, Musso, Masterlure, Atom.. We adapt and copy these designs… why? Cause they catch.

 

 

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