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  • "Theodore Roosevelt has now brought out and matured his doctrine of Socialism. . . . We have called it super-Socialism. . . . The trouble is that after a little there would be nothing to confiscate. And that is the vice, the hollowness, the sham of Mr. Roosevelt's Socialist doctrine. . . . The American people are far too intelligent, they have too much common sense to be deluded by the shallow sophistries of the Roosevelt Socialism. But the Colonel had to do something, his party was going to pieces."--editorial, New York Times, Sept. 30, 1913

  • "Mr. Obama spoke in the same town where Theodore Roosevelt issued his call for a square deal in 1910. In demanding 'a new nationalism,' Roosevelt supported strong government oversight of business, a 'graduated income tax on big fortunes,' an inheritance tax and the primacy of labor over capital. For that, he was called a socialist and worse, as Mr. Obama observed, having endured the same. Mr. Obama was late to Roosevelt's level of passion and action on behalf of the middle class and the poor"--editorial, New York Times, Dec. 7, 2011





Jonah Goldberg. 


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Read the speech

 

It can be sliced and dice to mean whatever you want it to.

 

I read both yesterday.  The roosevelt speech is about rising collectivism and increasing federal control over the once relatively autonomous states.

 

Obama;s is standard Obama.  "I'm not the bad guy, those guys are!  Lets get em!!"

 

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Read the speech

It can be sliced and dice to mean whatever you want it to.

 

you read it?

 

you don't see any problems with it? And I don't mean stuff that we can argue about if the government should do things or not..

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I am reading the last of the three book biography of Teddy Roosevelt, "Colonel Roosevelt". The other two books were great for all the reasons we remember TR fondly. This last is so sad it is hard to read. After he left the presidency, TR found himself with not a lot to do.

 

During his presidency, he was hardly a "progressive". He was much more of a moderate. He loved industry and big business but saw the danger of monopoly. He also tried to curb some union activity he felt was dangerous to the country (Coal strikes). He built the great white fleet and sent it around the world to show American muscle. He pushed our control of Cuba, PR and the Phillipines. He used imperialism to build the Panama Canal, etc., etc.

 

I believe he got into full blown progressivism because he needed a fight, wanted another shot at the ring and so he went third party. But according to the book, his heart really wasn't in it and he didn't "deeply believe" some of the things he was pushing. After the election of 1912, he was constantly pushing to get into the war in Europe. He hated Wilson (our most racist President) and wrote many articles against Wilson's inaction at the brutality of the "hun".

 

But his time had passed. Progressivism was really just another lance for him to tilt at windmills. IMO he would be horrified to see the progressivism of today.

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you read it?

you don't see any problems with it? And I don't mean stuff that we can argue about if the government should do things or not..

 

yes, look at my post in WB thread on the subject

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yes, look at my post in WB thread on the subject

 

ok

 

looked at it

 

 

no problem that he was making the speech in Tex..... err I mean Kansas? Hey look over there. There's Bill Self

 

 

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