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There are lots of variants on broadheads an many of the designs are thousands of years old.

 

Examine the clovis point for reference. Even though it was originally thought of as a spear point, many are starting to believe it was used for flensing.

 

Serrated and beveled broadheads are not new.

 

The only beveled broadhead I've used was a magnus stinger. It cut on contact and penetrated like I needed it to do.

 

 

Read Dr Ed Ashby - he covers almost all of your bow hunting concearns.

 

http://www.alaskabowhunting.com/PR/Single_Bevel_Broadheads.pdf

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Im more interested in a broadhead that groups the closest to my fieldtips for practice.

Not too sure many guys use them anymore, but the Razorback 4 shoots the best for me.

 

In contrast to an agled blade the blades on the 4 are straight and are free spinning from the tip which i believe makes them shooot straighter from my compound. They have always punched through both sides of the lungs which for me is what i was looking for. (double blood trail).

 

 

 

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Thunderheads and Razorbacks were two of the first heads available from New Archery Products (way back in the '70s...I thought I remembered them as "New Era" but that doesn't show up anymore) Google them. They have many different products that "cut across" the whole spectrum of thought on this subject.

I still hunt with my trusty recurve...I remember getting s*** for going to aluminum shafts, and for even suggesting trying a switch from fixed blade to one of them newfangled twisty type heads (I even remember getting hell for going to a broadhead with a razor insert)

 

In VA, archery and blackpowder used to be classified as "primitive weapon" season.

There was quite a bit of tradition to it...not so much anymore.

 

Still use my recurve (2017s and Bear fixed blade heads...they kill just fine)

BP hunt with a "modernized" 1861 Colt two band (I did miss the same buck twice on opening day; but that was me, not the gun)

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Very interesting discussion. Is a "single bevel" broadhead one on which the blades have a chisel cut, like a Japanese knife?

 

Yep, chisel ground, single bevel broadheads are the latest craze in traditional broadheads. Ground and sharpened on one side only, just like a Japenese knife, chisel, or lawnmower blade. There are left and right bevel heads out now so guys can match the broadhead's bevel to their left or right wing fletching.

An 8 oz sinker and a bunker head will only fly so far...
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I use carbon arrows and Steelforce Phat heads. Believe it or not under 50 yards most arrows won't make 1 revolution of spin...

 

I double lunged an 8pt last Thanksgiving, it went about 50 yards and piled up, I shoot a Mathews Z7 at 64 lbs. The arrow passed through, but not completely and as the deer ran he broke off both sides. We recovered all of the arrow. I have passed up more shots when I thought a twig or a little brush might be in the way. I guess the one time I shot at a Doe at 30 yards the arrows nicked a small branch, maybe a half inch in diameter, and it sound like an explosion as the arrow shattered. Since then i won't risk it.

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I've been using Montecs/CX carbons (lately Maxima Hunters) since the came out 5 or 6 years ago and have killed quite a few deer with them. A few weeks ago there was a previously arrowed buck running around so bought a pack of Rage 2 blade in the off chance I got a shot, he'd bleed out before he got to the road (my buddy swears by them). The supplied practice head flies right with my field points and Montecs.

 

If I make it to the woods this year, a Montec will back on the string.

 

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"I came into this world naked, screaming at the top of my lungs, and covered in someone else's blood. I got no problem leaving it that way."
Who can hope to be safe? Who sufficiently cautious? Guard himself as he may, every moment's an ambush. Horace

 

 

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I tried alot of heads until I settled on G5 Montecs (on Easton FMJ's).

Flew the best for me and do a great job.

The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?
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In todays market Broadheads are just like anything else. They are made to sell to the hunter. The latest and greatest doesnt make it any better than the next. It all boils down to shot placement. Make a good shot and you got yourself a dead animal. Make a bad shot and spend your next day looking for blood. For me i like any thing in a 100grain head.

 

When you study the physics behind arrow flight and kinetic energy you'll find that having the fastest arrow isnt that great in the killing world. To simplify things take a golf ball and a ping pong ball and throw them both at 50mph into a snow bank. Both are moving at the same speed, but because the golf ball has more kinetic energy behind it it will travel farther in. The same thing happens with arrows. You can shoot scalpels but if it's not penetrating whats the point!

 

BranfordJeff - I'd hit it like a drumset in the special ed classroom.

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In todays market Broadheads are just like anything else. They are made to sell to the hunter. The latest and greatest doesnt make it any better than the next. It all boils down to shot placement. Make a good shot and you got yourself a dead animal. Make a bad shot and spend your next day looking for blood. For me i like any thing in a 100grain head.

When you study the physics behind arrow flight and kinetic energy you'll find that having the fastest arrow isnt that great in the killing world. To simplify things take a golf ball and a ping pong ball and throw them both at 50mph into a snow bank. Both are moving at the same speed, but because the golf ball has more kinetic energy behind it it will travel farther in. The same thing happens with arrows. You can shoot scalpels but if it's not penetrating whats the point!

 

 

 

With a scalpel, it's all about the blade.:)

If being stupid got us into this mess, how come being stupid can't get us out?
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Bad analogy.

 

Kinetic energy = 1/2 multiplied by the mass multiplied by the velocity squared

 

From the same bow, a heavier arrow will carry more momentum longer. However, at some distance inside of 25 or 30 yards the velocity of a lighter arrow will still produce higher KE. After that point the heavier arrow will continue to carry more momentum till it his the ground.

 

YMMV

 

:v:

"I came into this world naked, screaming at the top of my lungs, and covered in someone else's blood. I got no problem leaving it that way."
Who can hope to be safe? Who sufficiently cautious? Guard himself as he may, every moment's an ambush. Horace

 

 

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GoBow, I take it that you'd choose a particular to match the fletching so that the aerodynamic forces at both ends of the arrow both operate to rotate the arrow in the same direction?

You'd lose energy and make the arrow unstable if they were operating against each other .. do I understand you correctly?

 

Specialist, I gather that the carbon arrows are pricey. What's a deer hunter's carbon arrow go for?

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I shot the Thunderheads for 4 years, killed lots of deer with them. Then I wanted a change of pace. Tried the Montecs, couldnt get them to shoot for the life of me. Consistently flying random directions. Tried Bloodrunners, shot great. Tekans, same. Shot lots of deer with them. Now Im shooting the T3's and they are my favorite yet. Opens a hole in them and flies just like a broadhead. Im also shooting Maxima Hunters with Blazer Vanes

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