Garv Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Seriously, you guys put 60 Minutes on par with Okeefe? I certainly do. They did a slam piece on a place I worked for, the omissions that put a negative spin on things are staggering..... Remember that one news show, I think it was "48 hrs" that put model rocket igniters on gas tanks of trucks to show how easy they blow up when hit from the side? ...... GarvThe real measure of illiteracy in America should be the percentage of those who cannot read the writing on the wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I certainly do. They did a slam piece on a place I worked for, the omissions that put a negative spin on things are staggering..... Remember that one news show, I think it was "48 hrs" that put model rocket igniters on gas tanks of trucks to show how easy they blow up when hit from the side? ...... Whoops. It was Dateline NBC, home of Keith Olbermann and Ed Shultz. Mike Gertner and Jane Pauley did that show I have integrity. “My happiness is not the means to any end. It is the end. It is its own goal. It is its own purpose.” Ayn Rand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimW Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 I certainly do. They did a slam piece on a place I worked for, the omissions that put a negative spin on things are staggering..... Remember that one news show, I think it was "48 hrs" that put model rocket igniters on gas tanks of trucks to show how easy they blow up when hit from the side? ...... Sorry you got a grudge but when even one of Beck's people says it's edited for misrepresentation I can only wish you good luck. "I have ... put a lump of ice into an equal quantity of water ... if a little sea salt be added to the water we shall produce a fluid sensibly colder than the ice was in the beginning, which has appeared a curious and puzzling thing to those unacquainted with the general fact."- Joseph Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garv Posted March 14, 2011 Report Share Posted March 14, 2011 Sorry you got a grudge but when even one of Beck's people says it's edited for misrepresentation I can only wish you good luck. Just stating a fact. No grudge here, but I pretty much view most of this stuff as "fiction worth possibly investigating" now. GarvThe real measure of illiteracy in America should be the percentage of those who cannot read the writing on the wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooks1176 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 B--ut, the D-ia--nne R-he---amm s--how is socialist propaganda! the only show on npr I can not listen too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddy Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 it sure sounded bad when that schiller guy who was forced to quit as NPR's head fundraiser said that the GOP had been taken over by reactionary, racist tea party folks the part that o'keefe- the conservative who caught ACORN and planned parenthood with their pants down- edited out tells a different story a summary of the first part of the sentence, which he didn't bother to include in his video release: a high ranking GOP ambassador and a US senator (i think, but a bigwig at any rate) confided in him that they both voted for obama because the GOP had been taken over my reactionary, racist, tea party members so the words were not his- he was paraphrasing statements told to him by high ranking republicans too bad o'keefe has to mislead people like that too bad there are so many people so quick to believe the worst So, in a full quote, what was the first part of the statement? And do you have proof of it? "Ok, Eddy you were right" - minivin5 "Oddly enough, Eddy is right fairly often"- TimS "Eddy is correct" - TomT "Say what you will about Eh-ddy but he actually does know a few things." - The Commish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesg Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 As the worm turns. Payback is a beeach. Thumbs up from Sarah Palin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundfisher Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I can see nothing has changed here. Kikkoman Pro Staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Deckhand Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Originally Posted by Little So, in a full quote, what was the first part of the statement? And do you have proof of it? Beck's 'Blaze' Critiques NPR Sting Videos Glenn Beck's new website, The Blaze has analyzed the conservative sting video that led to the resignation of National Public Radio's CEO this week and is raising questions about the editing of the tape that suggested an NPR fundraising executive said that tea party patriots were racists, among other comments. "The clip in the edited video implies (NPR fundraising executive Ron) Schiller is giving simply his own analysis of the Tea Party," The Blaze reports. "He does do that in part, but the raw video reveals that he is largely recounting the views expressed to him by two top Republicans, one a former ambassador, who admitted to him that they voted for Obama. "At the end, he signals his agreement. The larger context does not excuse his comments, or his judgment in sharing the account, but would a full context edit have been more fair?" While the analysis of the full-length, unedited recording doesn't exonerate the NPR officials, it does raise questions about whether the conservative undercover journalists were offering a fully honest account of the conversation in the edited video. Specifically, The Blaze's review of the tape suggests that the NPR executives were not as harsh as it originally seemed in their critique of conservatives. "The impression of the original video, that the execs were only hostile toward Republicans and conservatives, is incorrect," The Blaze reports. Moreover, at one point, executive Betsy Liley actually defends the intellect of Fox News viewers. Their analysis also suggests, while the two executives should have been more curious about the nature of the Islamic charity they were dealing with, they were more discerning on the positions regarding Sharia, or Islamic, law. "The raw video shows a section where Schiller is hesitant to criticize the education of conservatives and the other executive, Betsy Liley, is outspoken in her defense of the intellects of Fox News viewers," the Blaze concludes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Not wrong. Every foot of videotape he shot was on his website from the moment this thing broke. The NPR board fired those people not for saying that the TEA Party is full of racists. I am sure that anyone that would be a board member of NPR believes that to be true anyway. They were fired for A) stating that they did not need Fed Money, and B) making arrangements to take money from the Muslim Brotherhood and launder it and hide it from the Feds. Thats what they did. But some people, the "ends justify the means" crowd, are fighting to keep the coffers filled with whatever money they can get their hands on. Thats what happened. Anyway, they're gone, and its yet another poisoned, sick twisted appendage of an evil government exposed and laid bare. “My happiness is not the means to any end. It is the end. It is its own goal. It is its own purpose.” Ayn Rand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Deckhand Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Originally Posted by Little Not wrong. Every foot of videotape he shot was on his website from the moment this thing broke. The NPR board fired those people not for saying that the TEA Party is full of racists. I am sure that anyone that would be a board member of NPR believes that to be true anyway. They were fired for A) stating that they did not need Fed Money, and B) making arrangements to take money from the Muslim Brotherhood and launder it and hide it from the Feds. Thats what they did. But some people, the "ends justify the means" crowd, are fighting to keep the coffers filled with whatever money they can get their hands on. Thats what happened. Anyway, they're gone, and its yet another poisoned, sick twisted appendage of an evil government exposed and laid bare. WRONG AGAIN! You could not be any more wrong....this time It's Glenn Beck who has pointed this out!!!! The Blaze - a conservative news aggregation site set up by Fox News host Glenn Beck - first took a look late last week and found that O'Keefe had edited much of the shorter video in deceiving ways. "There was certainly a lot there for conservatives and people of faith and Tea Party activists to be bothered about - but we felt like that wasn't the whole story," said Scott Baker, editor in chief of The Blaze. "There were a lot of other things said that may have been complimentary to conservatives and to people of faith and Tea Party activists in the same conversations." My review was conducted with several colleagues. I also relied on outside people, including Baker, who have expertise in analyzing video and audio to review the two tapes. Broadcast journalist Al Tompkins said he was initially outraged by what he heard in that first, shorter video by O'Keefe. Tompkins now teaches ethics at the Poynter Institute, a journalism school in St. Petersburg, Fla. "What I saw was an executive at NPR expressing overtly political opinions that I was really uncomfortable with," Tompkins said. "Particularly the way the video was edited, it just seemed he was spouting off about practically everything." But Tompkins said his mind was changed by watching that two-hour version. "I tell my children there are two ways to lie," Tompkins said. "One is to tell me something that didn't happen, and the other is not to tell me something that did happen. I think they employed both techniques in this." Sacramento, Calif.-based digital forensic consultant Mark Menz also reviewed both tapes at my request. He has done extensive video analyses for federal agencies and corporations. "From my personal opinion, the short one is definitely edited in a form and fashion to lead you to a certain conclusion - you might say it's looking only at the dirty laundry," Menz said. He drew a distinction between that and a compressed news story. O'Keefe's 'Investigative Reporting' O'Keefe hasn't replied to several requests for comment for my stories on his tapes. On Twitter last week, he replied to me that his editing was no different from what other journalists do in crafting their stories - including my own. On Sunday, he told CNN's Howard Kurtz that his use of hidden cameras is in the finest traditions of muckraking journalism. "Journalists have been doing this for a long time," O'Keefe said. "It's a form of investigative reporting that you use to seek and find the truth." O'Keefe said on CNN's Reliable Sources that his sting was inspired by NPR's decision to drop longtime news analyst Juan Williams last October after Williams made comments on Fox News about Muslims. "The tape is very powerful," O'Keefe said. "The tape is very honest. The tape cuts to the core of who these people are." But 26-year-old O'Keefe's own record is checkered. His takedown of the community organizing group ACORN relied on undercover videos that the California state attorney general's office concluded significantly distorted what occurred. Last May, O'Keefe pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor after an attempted video sting at the offices of U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA). 'A Big Warning Flag' In the review of the NPR tapes, O'Keefe's edited video triggered criticism right from his introduction. He ominously describes the phony Islamic group, saying that its website "said the organization sought to spread the acceptance of sharia across the world." (Shariah is Islamic law based on the Quran, although there are wide disparities in how different Muslim sects and cultures interpret what that entails.) On the tape, Ron Schiller is then shown and heard creased with laughter, saying, "Really, that's what they said?" In reality, as the longer tape shows, that laughter follows an innocuous exchange as Schiller and Liley greet the two supposed donors at their table. "That to us was a signal that they were trying to condition the person watching the piece to feel as though there was assent to these ideas," said Scott Baker of The Blaze. "That was a big warning flag." Tompkins said O'Keefe sought to portray the fundraisers as though they would do anything to appease donors. On the shorter tape, for instance, one of the fake donors is heard assailing a "Zionist" influence on the media - and Liley, NPR's senior director of institutional giving, is heard responding affirmingly. The O'Keefe associate posing as potential donor Ibrahim Kassam says NPR is "one of the few places that has the courage to present it [fairly]. There's kind of a joke that we used to call it National Palestinian Radio." Some laughter follows. But the shorter tape does not include Ron Schiller immediately telling the two men that donors cannot expect to influence news coverage. "There is such a big firewall between funding and reporting: Reporters will not be swayed in any way, shape or form," Schiller says on that longer tape, in one of several such remarks. Tompkins found that meaningful, noting that Ron Schiller was a fundraiser, not an official affecting the newsroom. "The message that he said most often - I counted six times: He told these two people that he had never met before that you cannot buy coverage," Tompkins said. "He says it over and over and over again." Confusing The Context In addition, several times the donors seek to goad Schiller and Liley into making inflammatory statements about conservatives or Fox News personalities, and they deflect them. At one point, Liley explains that she attended Purdue University, which she describes as a conservative and respected research university, and that people there relied on Fox to get much of their news. Menz, the digital forensics consultant, said he found some of Schiller's actual remarks disturbing. But by analyzing time stamps, Menz concluded that many of Schiller's remarks in that shorter video are presented out of sequence from the questions that were posed. "For me, in my background, it immediately puts things into question," Menz said. "You really don't know what context these were in, what was going on in the 20 minutes before and after this question was asked." Take the political remarks. Ron Schiller speaks of growing up as a Republican and admiring the party's fiscal conservatism. He says Republican politicians and evangelicals are becoming "fanatically" involved in people's lives. But in the shorter tape, Schiller is also presented as saying the GOP has been "hijacked" by Tea Partyers and xenophobes. In the longer tape, it's evident Schiller is not giving his own views but instead quoting two influential Republicans - one an ambassador, another a senior Republican donor. Schiller notably does not take issue with their conclusions - but they are not his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Why did the Board of Diectors fire the two Shillers and put Betsey Liley out on the line to dry up? “My happiness is not the means to any end. It is the end. It is its own goal. It is its own purpose.” Ayn Rand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Deckhand Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Why did the Board of Diectors fire the two Shillers and put Betsey Liley out on the line to dry up? Maybe for good reason, I don't know. I'll say this; I am not arguing whether or not his reason for being fired was valid- I am saying that the tape was very maliciously edited, to paint Shiller in the poorest light possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnmagician Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 NPR is running scared, they know the right wing is gunning for them, so I guess they'd rather fire someone too quickly, then be painted as protecting a hostile postion to the right. more of the same, right wing attack on News Media. make it all entertainment and slanted. then any story can be dismissed. Eggy 10-13 LAA 7-14 50-50 2-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltydawg Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 make it all entertainment and slanted. That's NPR's specialty. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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