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Loncaster, I was glady responding to your post when it was shut down and WELCOME the challenges to my opinions (I just get tired of hearing about mod bias).

 

 

1. If you think I do not take to a well founded correction, you are absolutely wrong, and there is enough evidence to support this in this forum. Just look up the number of time I have said sorry, or mea culpa or taken the time to clarify something I posted that was misinterpretted.

 

 

2. If you think, taking up arms is has no fact or relevance, I respectfully disagree. The tea party and the republican party have been using battle cry rhetoric for some time, and cagey responses to direct questions about it. This has been a topic for interviews with people like McCain and Pakin on network news shows. Not that they actually are calling for violence, but rather are they taking a risk that whackos would misundertand the rhetoric, just as we saw in the incident at hand. So I think it is a legitimate issue for debate.

 

3. I most welcome informed persons like yourself to respond to this topic as it is great way to set the record straight and eliminate a lot of the misconceptions about the tea party.

 

 

Was my post hyberbole, yes to a point. If you reread the thread, I was responding to a false position that I had concluded the people were right wingers because they carried guns. My post was to help connect the very obvious dots between the revolution and battle cry talk and the actual reasons given by the mother.

 

I used "call to arms"

 

 

I think that is very much the type of double talk the right wing is using - rhetorically of course, to rally the troops, and cagey responsed by party leaders about the talk is irresponsible.

 

 

my two cents and I appreciate your effort to keep the discussion going in a respectful manner.

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View PostLoncaster, I was glady responding to your post when it was shut down and WELCOME the challenges to my opinions (I just get tired of hearing about mod bias).

 

 

1. If you think I do not take to a well founded correction, you are absolutely wrong, and there is enough evidence to support this in this forum. Just look up the number of time I have said sorry, or mea culpa or taken the time to clarify something I posted that was misinterpretted.

 

 

2. If you think, taking up arms is has no fact or relevance, I did not say that I respectfully disagree. The tea party and the republican party have been using battle cry rhetoric for some time, If you said "rallying cry" I would agree and cagey responses to direct questions about it. This has been a topic for interviews with people like McCain and Pakin on network news shows. If you think they have said "take up arms (weapons)", post it Not that they actually are calling for violence, but rather are they taking a risk that whackos would misundertand the rhetoric, just as we saw in the incident at hand. So I think it is a legitimate issue for debate.

 

3. I most welcome informed persons like yourself to respond to this topic as it is great way to set the record straight and eliminate a lot of the misconceptions about the tea party.

 

 

Was my post hyberbole, yes to a point. If you reread the thread, I was responding to a false position that I had concluded the people were right wingers because they carried guns. My post was to help connect the very obvious dots between the revolution and battle cry talk and the actual reasons given by the mother.

 

I used "call to arms"

 

 

I think that is very much the type of double talk the right wing is using - rhetorically of course, to rally the troops, and cagey responsed by party leaders about the talk is irresponsible.

 

 

my two cents and I appreciate your effort to keep the discussion going in a respectful manner.

 

 

 

The TEA Party Patriots have not & will not support any type of violence. As Martin Luther King demonstrated, many gathered together in peace can protest in mass and get laws & rules changed for the better.

 

There are fringe elements to every position taken in a political spectrum. The fringe is never the main stream, saying they are, is not the truth, nor does it make it right.

 

The headlong rush to progressive socialism has to be stopped before it is too late. That is not what our great Nation was founded for.

 

If anyone wants to live that way, step up and leave the USA. Leave us to our Republican (style not party) Government. We are a Representative Republic, where the majority not a minority wins. Receiving help from the Government should be the most bitter medicine one has to take. It should taste so bad, it will be resisted. And if one is on the dole, they do not get a vote, as that could sweeten the bitter medicine.

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View PostThe TEA Party Patriots have not & will not support any type of violence. As Martin Luther King demonstrated, many gathered together in peace can protest in mass and get laws & rules changed for the better.

 

There are fringe elements to every position taken in a political spectrum. The fringe is never the main stream, saying they are, is not the truth, nor does it make it right.

 

The headlong rush to progressive socialism has to be stopped before it is too late. That is not what our great Nation was founded for.

 

If anyone wants to live that way, step up and leave the USA. Leave us to our Republican (style not party) Government. We are a Representative Republic, where the majority not a minority wins. Receiving help from the Government should be the most bitter medicine one has to take. It should taste so bad, it will be resisted. And if one is on the dole, they do not get a vote, as that could sweeten the bitter medicine.

 

 

pretty much eliminates everyone in retirement, most contractors and people who work for companies - it takes a lot of hands to have a deficit as large as ours.

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Retired people paid there price. It's the WHITE women with 3 kids in a trailer in Arkansas or just outside NY or the BLACK women who has 5 children with 5 different men or just reverse the colors that have no right to any of my or your money.

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View PostRetired people paid there price. It's the WHITE women with 3 kids in a trailer in Arkansas or just outside NY or the BLACK women who has 5 children with 5 different men or just reverse the colors that have no right to any of my or your money.

 

 

 

I got news for you, the nice hard working family with 2 1/2 kids with the picket fence in the front will suck ss, medicare and medicaid far more than they ever put into it leaving the tab for their 2 1/2 kids and the grandchildren.

 

It's a great deal, pay a price, then take out a lot more - you cannot get those odds anywhere else - so long as you don't die early - you will become a social leech, dwarfing the problem mentioned in your example.

 

Not to single you out, but your response right their is reason number one why we ss medicare and medicaid are so busted. Your response is a very typical.

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View PostI got news for you, the nice hard working family with 2 1/2 kids with the picket fence in the front will suck ss, medicare and medicaid far more than they ever put into it leaving the tab for their 2 1/2 kids and the grandchildren.

 

It's a great deal, pay a price, then take out a lot more - you cannot get those odds anywhere else - so long as you don't die early - you will become a social leech, dwarfing the problem mentioned in your example.

 

Not to single you out, but your response right their is reason number one why we ss medicare and medicaid are so busted. Your response is a very typical.

 

 

Your kidding, a 30 year old mother who raises her offspring to welch of the working is less of a strain then a retired person whom may or may not live a decade.

 

The average age of an America is 77. That is 12 years. Compare that to a woman who had 3 kids in 1975. Typical, or logical?

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View PostYour kidding, a 30 year old mother who raises her offspring to welch of the working is less of a strain then a retired person whom may or may not live a decade.

 

The average age of an America is 77. That is 12 years. Compare that to a woman who had 3 kids in 1975. Typical, or logical?

 

 

 

look up the healthcare costs for retired people, forget about the hip replacement or the cataract surgery, or the daily jar of prescription drugs, the nursing home is enough to bankrupt an entire life's savings. Look, the government knows is and discloses it, even wth their rosy accounting. Social security, medicare and medicaid are the three biggest components of the federal budget and the enourmous strain of retirees is the number one expense.

 

 

Also, life expency of a retiree is more like in the high 80s to 90. you are counting all the people who died young in the 77 number.

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View Postlook up the healthcare costs for retired people, forget about the hip replacement or the cataract surgery, or the daily jar of prescription drugs, the nursing home is enough to bankrupt an entire life's savings. Look, the government knows is and discloses it, even wth their rosy accounting. Social security, medicare and medicaid are the three biggest components of the federal budget and the enourmous strain of retirees is the number one expense.

 

 

Also, life expency of a retiree is more like in the high 80s to 90. you are counting all the people who died young in the 77 number.

 

 

 

I know more then a handful that died within months of ever retiring. Averages are averages, some die young (never collect) some older.

 

It like stats that show more whites (38%) collect welfare then blacks (37%) and Latinos make up (25%) But as a whole Whites equal 79%, blacks 13% and Latinos 15%. So in reality there are more blacks and latinos on the dole.

 

Seniors only make up 12%, add the cost of education (or lack of), crime trials, and the added fact that once on the dole, they tend to breed on the dole.

 

Racist yes, logical yes, facts you betcha!

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actually, we are a Constitutional Republic, NOT a representative republic.

 

and.....the only folks advocating/inciting/USING violance are the liberals and Democrats. Usually against Tea Party members.

 

and....when the government refuses to respond to the people who placed them in power and disregards the ballot box, I have NO problem resorting to the cartridge box. I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, not a particular political party. I am a professional soldier and WILL defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.

 

Luckily, I do NOT see this as an option anytime soon. However, I will keep my powder dry and my hatchet scoured.

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View Postactually, we are a Constitutional Republic, NOT a representative republic.

 

and.....the only folks advocating/inciting/USING violance are the liberals and Democrats. Usually against Tea Party members.

 

and....when the government refuses to respond to the people who placed them in power and disregards the ballot box, I have NO problem resorting to the cartridge box. I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, not a particular political party. I am a professional soldier and WILL defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.

 

Luckily, I do NOT see this as an option anytime soon. However, I will keep my powder dry and my hatchet scoured.

 

 

 

AMEN!

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View PostThe TEA Party Patriots have not & will not support any type of violence. As Martin Luther King demonstrated, many gathered together in peace can protest in mass and get laws & rules changed for the better.

 

There are fringe elements to every position taken in a political spectrum. The fringe is never the main stream, saying they are, is not the truth, nor does it make it right.

 

The headlong rush to progressive socialism has to be stopped before it is too late. That is not what our great Nation was founded for.

 

If anyone wants to live that way, step up and leave the USA. Leave us to our Republican (style not party) Government. We are a Representative Republic, where the majority not a minority wins. Receiving help from the Government should be the most bitter medicine one has to take. It should taste so bad, it will be resisted. And if one is on the dole, they do not get a vote, as that could sweeten the bitter medicine.

 

 

View Postpretty much eliminates everyone in retirement, most contractors and people who work for companies - it takes a lot of hands to have a deficit as large as ours.

 

 

 

So much for reading comprehension.

 

Let me see if I can simplify this for you.

 

Representative style Government started to be torn apart around 1900. Free will and capitalism are not fair to the lazy.

 

If you don't want to have what this nation was founded for, then leave it. Leave it and go somewhere else that better suits your ambition.

 

Do you think the USA is so good it needs to be changed. Changed by raising the number of social programs like welfare, health care, etc.

 

Social Security is wrong. It also has been raped for all it's funding. The program need to be ended and the folks in it, taken care of as they were promised.

 

Government should not dictate retirement plans. Folks have to be educated in what to do about it.

 

What is the difference between debtors prison and a housing project in a slum neighborhood?

 

 

(the Government can no longer abuse you if you are in debtors prison)

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View PostSo much for reading comprehension.

 

Let me see if I can simplify this for you.

 

Representative style Government started to be torn apart around 1900. Free will and capitalism are not fair to the lazy.

 

If you don't want to have what this nation was founded for, then leave it. Leave it and go somewhere else that better suits your ambition.

 

Do you think the USA is so good it needs to be changed. Changed by raising the number of social programs like welfare, health care, etc.

 

Social Security is wrong. It also has been raped for all it's funding. The program need to be ended and the folks in it, taken care of as they were promised.

 

Government should not dictate retirement plans. Folks have to be educated in what to do about it.

 

What is the difference between debtors prison and a housing project in a slum neighborhood?

 

 

(the Government can no longer abuse you if you are in debtors prison)

 

 

americans were given the choice of their own retirement plans with tax breaks to sweeten the pot. We miserably failed at that with patheric participation levels, and those who actualy chose to participate all too often don't save enough and raid the plans for current luxury expenses.

 

 

So now we have an aging population who, by and large, are heading to the retirement years unprepared and financially unfit.

 

Feedom and choice failed. And they are about to become a tremendous drag on any chance of economic prosperity. There is not enough money to cover their costs, and delaying retirement will take away jobs for the youth entering the job market.

 

I agree with you about soical programs, I think they should be temporary for those truly in needs (and permanent for those who are disabled and have no other means of support).

 

But I am trying to reconcile personal freedom with the fact that over and over again we act like the grasshopper with our choices and fail to make good decisions as a whole.

 

 

There has to be some sort of balance.

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View Postamericans were given the choice of their own retirement plans with tax breaks to sweeten the pot. We miserably failed at that with patheric participation levels, and those who actualy chose to participate all too often don't save enough and raid the plans for current luxury expenses.

 

 

So now we have an aging population who, by and large, are heading to the retirement years unprepared and financially unfit.

 

Feedom and choice failed. only to the lazy And they are about to become a tremendous drag on any chance of economic prosperity.The whole of our Government needs to be revamped There is not enough money to cover their costs, and delaying retirement will take away jobs for the youth entering the job market.

 

I agree with you about soical programs, I think they should be temporary for those truly in needs (and permanent for those who are disabled and have no other means of support). That's what I said, then you said I had it in for contractors and others

 

But I am trying to reconcile personal freedom with the fact that over and over again we act like the grasshopper with our choices and fail to make good decisions as a whole. Make the family take care of their own

 

 

There has to be some sort of balance.

 

giving the Gov all the money to dole out is not it

 

It will take 3 generations to fix the mess we are in, if resistance is light.

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95% of healthcare expenses occur in the final 6 six months of life. One contributing member of society can negate his entire lifetime of contributions in taxes, medicare, SS and all other receipts in his last days on this earth, ultimately spending another person's money to stay alive. Happens all the time. Should he spend his last days in debtors prison?

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View Post95% of healthcare expenses occur in the final 6 six months of life. One contributing member of society can negate his entire lifetime of contributions in taxes, medicare, SS and all other receipts in his last days on this earth, ultimately spending another person's money to stay alive. Happens all the time. Should he spend his last days in debtors prison?

 

 

As a further talking point, what does an animal shelter do when there are too many, or too sick to fix puppies?

 

We have more compassion for our critters than we do for our own.

 

We don't want those who can't talk to suffer at our hands do we?

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