DonnieB Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Because his vision as outlined above is really this: Because here in America, we don't give up( on taking away your liberties). Here in America, we(will create government mandates to) look out for each other. Here in America, we help each other get ahead(by extracting money at the point of a gun from those who actually do the work). Here in America, we can meet any challenge(that is politically expedient). Here in America we can seize any moment(and your posessions). We can seize this moment and we can make this century another great American century(if it's OK with our Chinese masters). No, that's what your interpretation is, he didn't say that at all. The Patriot Act under Bush began taking away our liberties. We've had mandates all along like car and hoe insurance, like Mitt's healthcare on MA. If making Millions of $$ and paying less than or getting tax breaks or loopholes that the average American can't who do work, then that's inequality. Like going to the moon, we can meet any challenge. Eminent domain was around way before Obama and the banks who are taking things. And, we've been indebted way before Obama was president to China, meaning two wars and way before that. It's just a matter of seeing through the reality historically and factually. Why on Earth would you support someone who has made everyone of the perceived injustices you cited above worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TatonkaJames Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 The lesser of two evils is still evil, but the lesser of the two is for all the people, not just the 1%. "All The Worlds A Stooge" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Quote: Originally Posted by TatonkaJames The lesser of two evils is still evil, but the lesser of the two is for all the people, not just the 1%. He ain't for me. “My happiness is not the means to any end. It is the end. It is its own goal. It is its own purpose.” Ayn Rand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomper Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 more beer summits....if we are lucky... less liberty for us, especially when re-election is off the table for him... but there is always the possibility of a 3rd term being legalized.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charloots Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 However there are a lot of sexist, racist, homophobic and religious fundamentalists within the GOP. stats? how many of each group? are there any on the other side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotcow? Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 If Obama wins, it is an indication that our soul as a country and what makes us unique is gone. Not gone, but certainly reduced to a few brightly burning embers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TatonkaJames Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 He ain't for me. On principle alone, right ? Or is it generational voting ? It couldn't be racially motivated for sure, we've gotten beyond that by now. "All The Worlds A Stooge" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichum Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 TatonkaJames: The problem is we're too many people concentrated in small spaces. All races and religions are packed into towns and we have a different view of the country we lived in 50 years ago. That's what I feel is one of the problems with people. Just sayin.... "The historian Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., has remarked that we suffer today from "too much pluribus and not enough unum." "Who is John Galt?" Who? You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 If Obama wins, it is an indication that our soul as a country and what makes us unique is gone. "Because here in America, we don't give up. Here in America, we look out for each other. Here in America, we help each other get ahead. Here in America, we can meet any challenge. Here in America we can seize any moment. We can seize this moment and we can make this century another great American century." So what is your alternative to his vision above ? Everyone work against one another ? He's describing the exact neighborhood I grew up in. The problem is we're too many people concentrated in small spaces. All races and religions are packed into towns and we have a different view of the country we lived in 50 years ago. That's what I feel is one of the problems with people. Just sayin.... Obama's comments are fine... it is his perception that seems off. The problem is that he sees "government" and "America" as being one in the same. America is not its' government. America at its' best is personal and economic freedom to succeed. (Peggy Noonan ain't got **** on me. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichum Posted April 11, 2012 Report Share Posted April 11, 2012 Obama's comments are fine... it is his perception that seems off. The problem is that he sees "government" and "America" as being one in the same. America is not its' government. America at its' best is personal and economic freedom to succeed. (Peggy Noonan ain't got **** on me. ) Romney says Obama believes in a 'government-centered society ... From the blog Romney says Obama believes in a 'government-centered society’: The Ticket news.yahoo.com I think you and Romney correctly perceive Obama's misperception. "Who is John Galt?" Who? You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TatonkaJames Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 America is not its' government. Then why don't the people say when we can go to war and not the government FOR the PEOPLE and BY the PEOPLE ? Isn't America it's people ? We need only read the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution to understand why a government is needed: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." We need government to keep the territory held together (more perfect union). We need government to protect us from law breakers (establish justice). We need government to keep our day-to-day lives stable and safe (domestic tranquility). We need government to protect us from foreign invasions (provide for the common defense). We need government to help the exchange of money, goods, and trade with other countries (promote the general welfare). The purpose of a government is to provide for the safety and protection of the citizens. It protects the nation from foreign and domestic enemies and violence, provides services like post office, fire protection, state and local police, armed forces, and regulates things like interstate commerce and trade with other nations. A government also has the obligation to protect the rights of the citizens, though not all governments do that. A national government must protect the rights of citizens and of states' rights. The government's functions are to provide social order, security, public services, and economic systems for the citizens. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. "All The Worlds A Stooge" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamakatsu Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 If Obama wins in November, he will shift toward the center in hopes of securing his legacy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony44 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 When Obama says things like this; Because here in America, we don't give up. Here in America, we look out for each other. Here in America, we help each other get ahead. Here in America, we can meet any challenge. Here in America we can seize any moment. We can seize this moment and we can make this century another great American century." I wonder why the other side wants the opposite ? And they call him a neo-Marxist ? Because what he says and what he does are two different things. Thats why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony44 Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 The lesser of two evils is still evil, but the lesser of the two is for all the people, not just the 1%. What 1%? About as real as Festivus and Kwaanza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichum Posted April 12, 2012 Report Share Posted April 12, 2012 If Obama wins in November, he will shift toward the center in hopes of securing his legacy... If the SCotUS upholds the ACA, Obama will be heralded as "the black FDR." "Who is John Galt?" Who? You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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