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Is the Democrat party anti-Christian

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No, I dont think either of the major parties would be anti any group of people that large.

 

Most of the people I know are Christian, regardless if they are Democrats or Republicans.

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View PostOh how I wish there was an infraction just for that.

 

There is biggrin.gif

 

 

Hammer Smash Face!!!

 

 

Inappropriate attempt at humor - it's disruptive and off topic and lessens the chance for a legitimate response

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View PostReliance on God is christian, enabling others via handouts is "playing God".

 

 

Gvmnt social programs isn't loving thy neighbor.

 

Playing Robin Hood isn't Christian.

 

Taking from the rich to give to the poor isn't charitable.

 

Socialism goes aginst Gods will.

 

many gov social programs are put in place to help many that cant help themselves which is a fundamental principle of christianity

 

 

just curious what is your opinion on tithing?

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Liberals know that in order for moral relavitism (a liberal necessity) to work that the accepted moral standards must be lowered or eliminated completely. The discrediting and eventual abolition of a moral compass is the best way to accomplish this.

 

This is why false religions are protected and promoted by liberal types.

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View Postmany gov social programs are put in place to help many that cant help themselves which is a fundamental principle of christianity

 

just curious what is your opinion on tithing?

 

Tithing is voluntary.

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View PostTo be anti-Christian, one must take specific anti-Christian stances. I don't know when and where the Dems have done this. Can someone provide a specific example?

 

 

Gay marriage, repeal of "don't ask don't tell," "sex education" in public schools that promote "alternative" lifestyles. Hate speech laws. Promotion of abortion. Attempts to ban home schooling etc.

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View PostGay marriage, repeal of "don't ask don't tell," "sex education" in public schools that promote "alternative" lifestyles. Hate speech laws. Promotion of abortion. Attempts to ban home schooling etc.

 

Hate Speech laws are anti-Christian? Please quote the relevant scripture...

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View PostI find it ironic that many of the republicans that see themselves as "Christian" but much of what they are preaching is anti-Christian when it comes to actual policy-example is being against most social programs-love thy neighbor as long as it doesn't cost me a penny

 

fyi-should be noted that I was raised Christian and am independent as far as my voting goes

 

 

 

First being "raised a Christian" means nothing and actually tells us where you are now.

 

Second, Christ taught charity and compassion. Not big government programs. There is no virtue in having the fruits of your labor confiscated by force and given to the poor to perpetuate the luxury of people in power.

 

The virtue is in giving yourself and of yourself to help people less fortunate. In this, by every poll, the right and Christians are much more charitable than the left.

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View PostHate Speech laws are anti-Christian? Please quote the relevant scripture...

 

 

Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Deu 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

 

Jos 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

 

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

 

HR 1592, like all hate crime laws, imposes a longer sentence on a criminal motivated by hate than on someone who commits the same crime with a different motivation. Increasing sentences because of motivation goes beyond criminalizing acts; it makes it a crime to think certain thoughts. Criminalizing even the vilest hateful thoughts--as opposed to willful criminal acts--is inconsistent with a free society.

HR 1592 could lead to federal censorship of religious or political speech on the grounds that the speech incites hate. Hate crime laws have been used to silence free speech and even the free exercise of religion. For example, a Pennsylvania hate crime law has been used to prosecute peaceful religious demonstrators on the grounds that their public Bible readings could incite violence. One of HR 1592's supporters admitted that this legislation could allow the government to silence a preacher if one of the preacher's parishioners commits a hate crime. More evidence that hate crime laws lead to censorship came recently when one member of Congress suggested that the Federal Communications Commission ban hate speech from the airwaves.

Hate crime laws not only violate the First Amendment, they also violate the Tenth Amendment. Under the United States Constitution, there are only three federal crimes: piracy, treason, and counterfeiting. All other criminal matters are left to the individual states. Any federal legislation dealing with criminal matters not related to these three issues usurps state authority over criminal law and takes a step toward turning the states into mere administrative units of the federal government.

Because federal hate crime laws criminalize thoughts, they are incompatible with a free society. Fortunately, President Bush has pledged to veto HR 1592. Of course, I would vote to uphold the president's veto. - Ron Paul

 

H. R. 1592

 

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

 

 

May 7, 2007

 

 

Received; read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

 

 

AN ACT

 

 

To provide Federal assistance to States, local jurisdictions, and Indian tribes to prosecute hate crimes, and for other purposes.

 

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

 

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

 

This Act may be cited as the `Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007'.

 

SEC. 2. DEFINITION OF HATE CRIME.

 

In this Act--

 

(1) the term `crime of violence' has the meaning given that term in section 16, title 18, United States Code;

 

 

(2) the term `hate crime' has the meaning given such term in section 280003(a) of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (28 U.S.C. 994 note); and

 

 

(3) the term `local' means a county, city, town, township, parish, village, or other general purpose political subdivision of a State.

 

SEC. 3. SUPPORT FOR CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTIONS BY STATE, LOCAL, AND TRIBAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS.

 

(a) Assistance Other Than Financial Assistance-

 

(1) IN GENERAL- At the request of State, local, or Tribal law enforcement agency, the Attorney General may provide technical, forensic, prosecutorial, or any other form of assistance in the criminal investigation or prosecution of any crime that--

 

(A) constitutes a crime of violence;

 

 

(B) constitutes a felony under the State, local, or Tribal laws; and

 

 

© is motivated by prejudice based on the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim, or is a violation of the State, local, or Tribal hate crime laws.

 

(2) PRIORITY- In providing assistance under paragraph (1), the Attorney General shall give priority to crimes committed by offenders who have committed crimes in more than one State and to rural jurisdictions that have difficulty covering the extraordinary expenses relating to the investigation or prosecution of the crime.

 

(b) Grants-

 

(1) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General may award grants to State, local, and Indian law enforcement agencies for extraordinary expenses associated with the investigation and prosecution of hate crimes.

 

 

(2) OFFICE OF JUSTICE PROGRAMS- In implementing the grant program under this subsection, the Office of Justice Programs shall work closely with grantees to ensure that the concerns and needs of all affected parties, including community groups and schools, colleges, and universities, are addressed through the local infrastructure developed under the grants.

 

 

(3) APPLICATION-

 

(A) IN GENERAL- Each State, local, and Indian law enforcement agency that desires a grant under this subsection shall submit an application to the Attorney General at such time, in such manner, and accompanied by or containing such information as the Attorney General shall reasonably require.

 

 

(B) DATE FOR SUBMISSION- Applications submitted pursuant to subparagraph (A) shall be submitted during the 60-day period beginning on a date that the Attorney General shall prescribe.

 

 

© REQUIREMENTS- A State, local, and Indian law enforcement agency applying for a grant under this subsection shall--

 

(i) describe the extraordinary purposes for which the grant is needed;

 

 

(ii) certify that the State, local government, or Indian tribe lacks the resources necessary to investigate or prosecute the hate crime;

 

 

(iii) demonstrate that, in developing a plan to implement the grant, the State, local, and Indian law enforcement agency has consulted and coordinated with nonprofit, nongovernmental violence recovery service programs that have experience in providing services to victims of hate crimes; and

 

 

(iv) certify that any Federal funds received under this subsection will be used to supplement, not supplant, non-Federal funds that would otherwise be available for activities funded under this subsection.

 

(4) DEADLINE- An application for a grant under this subsection shall be approved or denied by the Attorney General not later than 30 business days after the date on which the Attorney General receives the application.

 

 

(5) GRANT AMOUNT- A grant under this subsection shall not exceed $100,000 for any single jurisdiction in any 1-year period.

 

 

(6) REPORT- Not later than December 31, 2008, the Attorney General shall submit to Congress a report describing the applications submitted for grants under this subsection, the award of such grants, and the purposes for which the grant amounts were expended.

 

 

(7) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS- There is authorized to be appropriated to carry out this subsection $5,000,000 for each of fiscal years 2008 and 2009.

 

SEC. 4. GRANT PROGRAM.

 

(a) Authority To Award Grants- The Office of Justice Programs of the Department of Justice may award grants, in accordance with such regulations as the Attorney General may prescribe, to State, local, or Tribal programs designed to combat hate crimes committed by juveniles, including programs to train local law enforcement officers in identifying, investigating, prosecuting, and preventing hate crimes.

 

 

(b) Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated such sums as may be necessary to carry out this section.

 

SEC. 5. AUTHORIZATION FOR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL TO ASSIST STATE, LOCAL, AND TRIBAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

 

There are authorized to be appropriated to the Department of Justice, including the Community Relations Service, for fiscal years 2008, 2009, and 2010 such sums as are necessary to increase the number of personnel to prevent and respond to alleged violations of section 249 of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 7 of this Act.

 

SEC. 6. PROHIBITION OF CERTAIN HATE CRIME ACTS.

 

(a) In General- Chapter 13 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:

 

Sec. 249. Hate crime acts

 

(a) In General-

 

(1) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person--

 

(A) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and

 

 

(B) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if--

 

(i) death results from the offense; or

 

 

(ii) the offense includes kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.

 

(2) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN, GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER IDENTITY, OR DISABILITY-

 

(A) IN GENERAL- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, in any circumstance described in subparagraph (B), willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability of any person--

 

(i) shall be imprisoned not more than 10 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both; and

 

 

(ii) shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life, fined in accordance with this title, or both, if--

 

(I) death results from the offense; or

 

 

(II) the offense includes kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.

 

(B) CIRCUMSTANCES DESCRIBED- For purposes of subparagraph (A), the circumstances described in this subparagraph are that--

 

(i) the conduct described in subparagraph (A) occurs during the course of, or as the result of, the travel of the defendant or the victim--

 

(I) across a State line or national border; or

 

 

(II) using a channel, facility, or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce;

 

(ii) the defendant uses a channel, facility, or instrumentality of interstate or foreign commerce in connection with the conduct described in subparagraph (A);

 

 

(iii) in connection with the conduct described in subparagraph (A), the defendant employs a firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or other weapon that has traveled in interstate or foreign commerce; or

 

 

(iv) the conduct described in subparagraph (A)--

 

(I) interferes with commercial or other economic activity in which the victim is engaged at the time of the conduct; or

 

 

(II) otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce.

 

 

(b) Certification Requirement- No prosecution of any offense described in this subsection may be undertaken by the United States, except under the certification in writing of the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General, the Associate Attorney General, or any Assistant Attorney General specially designated by the Attorney General that--

 

(1) such certifying individual has reasonable cause to believe that the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person was a motivating factor underlying the alleged conduct of the defendant; and

 

 

(2) such certifying individual has consulted with State or local law enforcement officials regarding the prosecution and determined that--

 

(A) the State does not have jurisdiction or does not intend to exercise jurisdiction;

 

 

(B) the State has requested that the Federal Government assume jurisdiction;

 

 

© the State does not object to the Federal Government assuming jurisdiction; or

 

 

(D) the verdict or sentence obtained pursuant to State charges left demonstratively unvindicated the Federal interest in eradicating bias-motivated violence.

 

© Definitions- In this section--

 

(1) the term `explosive or incendiary device' has the meaning given such term in section 232 of this title;

 

 

(2) the term `firearm' has the meaning given such term in section 921(a) of this title; and

 

 

(3) the term `gender identity' for the purposes of this chapter means actual or perceived gender-related characteristics.

 

(d) Rule of Evidence- In a prosecution for an offense under this section, evidence of expression or associations of the defendant may not be introduced as substantive evidence at trial, unless the evidence specifically relates to that offense. However, nothing in this section affects the rules of evidence governing impeachment of a witness.'.

 

 

(b) Technical and Conforming Amendment- The table of sections at the beginning of chapter 13 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new item:

 

249. Hate crime acts.'.

 

SEC. 7. SEVERABILITY.

 

If any provision of this Act, an amendment made by this Act, or the application of such provision or amendment to any person or circumstance is held to be unconstitutional, the remainder of this Act, the amendments made by this Act, and the application of the provisions of such to any person or circumstance shall not be affected thereby.

 

SEC. 8. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.

 

Nothing in this Act, or the amendments made by this Act, shall be construed to prohibit any expressive conduct protected from legal prohibition by, or any activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of, the First Amendment to the Constitution.

 

Passed the House of Representatives May 3, 2007.

 

 

Attest:

 

 

LORRAINE C. MILLER,

 

 

Clerk.

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View PostGay marriage, repeal of "don't ask don't tell," "sex education" in public schools that promote "alternative" lifestyles. Hate speech laws. Promotion of abortion. Attempts to ban home schooling etc.

 

 

I don't see how these issues are anti-Christian.

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View PostFirst being "raised a Christian" means nothing and actually tells us where you are now.

 

 

Second, Christ taught charity and compassion. Not big government programs. There is no virtue in having the fruits of your labor confiscated by force and given to the poor to perpetuate the luxury of people in power.

 

 

The virtue is in giving yourself and of yourself to help people less fortunate. In this, by every poll, the right and Christians are much more charitable than the left.

 

being raised Christian means nothing? I would argue the church would disagree with that along with every parent that has raised their children to learn the teachings of Christianity-secondly I put that so people know I was born and raised Catholic and still am one and a practicing one at that so you are clueless there.

 

 

Christ taught that people aka society should help take care of those that cant take care of themselves which is exactly what the goal of many social programs are. If you disagree with that we can agree to disagree but I am comfortable in my thinking that the church thinks social programs are a good thing as well as helping those that cant help themselves. The church itself or many of them do ask for a 10% thithing. I served in the peace corp and went on missions as well to third wold countries with the church and volunteered at ST Judes so don't you dare question my belief system or actions.

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