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View PostAnyone hear that the gov't want to tax people on the amount of miles they drive?

Thought I heard that somewhere. When are the people going to stand up and tell this gov't enough is enough??

 

 

There was talk of doing that in Oregon I think it was. (Or it has been done there.)

 

From the Chicago Tribune :

 

 

Archive for Monday, January 05, 2009

 

 

Oregon mulls tax on miles driven

 

Move eyed after drop in gas levy revenue

 

By Kim Murphy

January 05, 2009

 

 

PORTLAND, Ore. - For years, Oregon has been diligent about reducing the state's dependence on fossil fuels, but its environmental consciousness has come at a big price-gas tax revenues are down $4.8 million a year compared with 2006.

 

That drop, driven by lower fuel consumption, has prompted Oregon to consider a new method to fund its road repairs. In his upcoming budget, Gov. Ted Kulongoski has called for a new highway tax based on miles driven, not gasoline purchases.

 

A state task force will look at equipping every new vehicle in the state with a Global Positioning System tracking device to quietly record every mile driven and where. Motorists would pay at the gas pump based on how much they drove, no matter how fuel-frugal their vehicle.

 

The plan still requires legislative endorsement and the full details could take several more years to work out, but state analysts said the governor's endorsement is a crucial step on a road many states are beginning to travel-ending dependence on the gasoline tax.

 

"This is a way to try to develop a fair funding mechanism that we're going to have to have if we're going to be aggressive in terms of looking at electric cars and hybrids and plug-ins and all those options, and at the same time continue to invest in our roads and infrastructure," said Rem Nivens, the governor's deputy communications director.

 

While Oregon appears to be out in front in looking at a mileage fee, several other states, including Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado, Florida, Rhode Island, Minnesota and Texas, have also expressed an interest in phasing out the gas tax in favor of charging motorists for how much they drive.

 

The Oregon proposal already is running into opposition from some drivers who say it would discriminate against rural residents who may have to drive several miles just to get to the grocery store and raise inevitable privacy concerns with Big Brother keeping a satellite watch over where everyone is driving.

 

Jason Williams, executive director of the Taxpayer Association of Oregon, said: "This is just another wide-eyed government experiment that's going to fail and cost the taxpayer a lot of money. We basically see it as the next big boondoggle of 2009."

 

While the GPS mileage counters could be programmed not to regularly report a vehicle's location, that wouldn't entirely eliminate privacy concerns, Williams said. "The fact that they tag your car to a certain place at a certain time means they're tracking your movements. So what happens in a divorce court, when the wife tries to track where her husband was, or a boss tries to make sure you were where you were supposed to be?"

 

State officials say they are committed to minimizing privacy and equity concerns before implementing any mileage-fee program.

 

A pilot program in which trial GPS devices were installed in 285 cars in Portland in 2006 and 2007 more or less successfully allowed motorists to have their mileage measured and paid for every time they bought gas. Under the trial program, drivers were charged 1.2 cents a mile, a rate that was considered equivalent to the state's 24-cents-a-gallon gas tax rate when calculated on a vehicle with an average fuel efficiency of 20 miles per gallon.

 

"They drive up to the pump, and there's a mileage reader there, very much like a modern toll reader ... and the mileage fee rates are applied," said Jim Whitty of the state transportation department.

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View PostAnyone hear that the gov't want to tax people on the amount of miles they drive?

Thought I heard that somewhere. When are the people going to stand up and tell this gov't enough is enough??

 

What's next? Taxing people based on how may posts they make on SOL?

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View PostAnyone hear that the gov't want to tax people on the amount of miles they drive?

Thought I heard that somewhere. When are the people going to stand up and tell this gov't enough is enough??

 

cant tax the money makers for distance if the distance they travel is one way when they LEAVE!!

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I actually like that idea very much.

Use the road, pay. Do not use it, pay nothing. Plain and simple

They would of course have to remove ALL other Federal and state taxes directed at roads, but it is actually a good step in the right direction.

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The distance tax is 'progressive' Americas way to punish rural/suburban 'Red' America. Inner city Utopias won't pay it.

 

It also seems counter-productive, with 40 MPG autos paying the same as 15MPG autos. Not much incentive to go 'Green' is there? headscratch.gif Raising current gas taxes would accomplish the same thing, with a new tax exemption for commuting miles. Why punish people for working? Oh, I forgot, it's 'progressivism'. cwm13.gif Never mind. redface.gif

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Taxing peoples driving distance as wellas where they drove was the fear of some when Onstar first came out. Onstar is a "satelite to car" product offered on GM cars.

 

As far as being taxed on your distance-isn't that the case of tolls highways as well?

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Foolishness! People that drive more already pay more in taxes, ever hear of a gas tax?

 

View PostI actually like that idea very much.

Use the road, pay. Do not use it, pay nothing. Plain and simple

They would of course have to remove ALL other Federal and state taxes directed at roads, but it is actually a good step in the right direction.

 

 

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Im in the market for something that will make my vehicles blind to GPS tracking devices. I'm sure that gubmit motors will make that more difficult. The feds will eventually try to get all older vehicles off the road --- under the guise of some stinking Gorian policy or law.

 

I used to be like most oblivious Americans and didn't worry about these tracking proposals --- infringements of our rights. No longer. The best thing to be is under the radar.

 

Someone mentioned taxing SOL posts ---- got news for you, internet use is the next big tax revenue target. Soon they will not be happy for the tiny monthly fee tax --- you will see the day, very soon, when you will be taxed by amount of use. Of course, those who are non-contributors will be exempt.

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View PostFoolishness! People that drive more already pay more in taxes, ever hear of a gas tax?

 

You didn't read what I wrote, did you?

Gasoline is not a good indicator of use of the roads. I have gas powered farm equipment it has never been on the road.

substitute the per mile tax for ALL other taxes related to roads..

As people use roads less, the need to maintain goes down, the cost o the road goes down.

Its a pretty darn good plan really, but you have to remove all other taxes.

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How dare any of you, for questioning the wisdom of our elected government.

 

After-all they know what is best for us all.

 

All of us have been so lax and not paying attention, thereby letting the government do more & more for us.

 

We are after-all very lucky they don't take our entire paycheck, and dole out exactly what we would need to live. Even the food you eat will be given out, and as a reward, for advancement at work 100 extra calories that day.

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