TBD Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 First off thanks for sharing this with us prior to ICAST. Show that you value your costumers and their input. I have all the current Van Staals reels (Bailed) and ZeeBaas also Bailed to compare to. You put out the 200 Bailed & 250 Bailed this season. There must be some reasons you plan to manufacture both. Why are they? Is this New Reel going to have a bailess option? From what I can see in the pic, the knob uses the same idea that ZeeBass had (metal knob with a band if rubber). ZeeBaas tried it with O Rings where after time in the elements is failed. If I am correct about the way you did it, will the rubber stand up to the test of time from wether and the elemenets? Weight, what ZeeBass had on your Bailed models was weight. Is this new VanStaal a lighter family of reels? If so will the loss of weight have any effects on it being any less of a tank that Van Staal has been, Drag. The one thing that ZeeBass got right from the get-go was an awsome, smooth, even drag that was superior to the Van Staal Drag. Bottom line, is this a newley engineerd drag? I kept my ZeeBaas 25 unserviced after a fall of fishing hard in various areas of Long Island that have a differrent sand consistency. Note, that real never left the beach and was exposed to the elements 24/7. I would love to buy your new reel and put it through the same rock and sand pounding fishing and see how it holds up and compares, Good luck with this reel. I hope its a killer. Tight Lines, Rob TBD CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokes Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 First off thanks for sharing this with us prior to ICAST. Show that you value your costumers and their input. I have all the current Van Staals reels (Bailed) and ZeeBaas also Bailed to compare to. You put out the 200 Bailed & 250 Bailed this season. There must be some reasons you plan to manufacture both. Why are they? Is this New Reel going to have a bailess option? From what I can see in the pic, the knob uses the same idea that ZeeBass had (metal knob with a band if rubber). ZeeBaas tried it with O Rings where after time in the elements is failed. If I am correct about the way you did it, will the rubber stand up to the test of time from wether and the elemenets? Weight, what ZeeBass had on your Bailed models was weight. Is this new VanStaal a lighter family of reels? If so will the loss of weight have any effects on it being any less of a tank that Van Staal has been, Drag. The one thing that ZeeBass got right from the get-go was an awsome, smooth, even drag that was superior to the Van Staal Drag. Bottom line, is this a newley engineerd drag? I kept my ZeeBaas 25 unserviced after a fall of fishing hard in various areas of Long Island that have a differrent sand consistency. Note, that real never left the beach and was exposed to the elements 24/7. I would love to buy your new reel and put it through the same rock and sand pounding fishing and see how it holds up and compares, Good luck with this reel. I hope its a killer. Tight Lines, Rob TBD, I have a VSB 250, and I wanted the similar sized Zee, but could not get one at that time. Can you tell me what the differences are between the 2 reels drag-wise? I had no issues cranking in the striper in my sig out of the Canal, in full current, and my drag did fine, but I am curious how these reels compare. I'm pretty new to these high end reels. Kinda like learning about high end Compound Bows when I was a rookie. SO much to learn. I love the look, and feel of the Zee's. I may have to grab one for my kayak rig. (that'll have to be next year.....as I will have to squirrel away for one, lest my wife KILL me, lol.) God, I need a raise, lol. "The toothless, braindead, *********, geriatric mouthbreathers around here love their "safe space". It is the only place in the world where they feel like winners, the gracious thing to do, would be to let them enjoy their delusional reality." -Numbnuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbt114 Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 First off thanks for sharing this with us prior to ICAST. Show that you value your costumers and their input. I have all the current Van Staals reels (Bailed) and ZeeBaas also Bailed to compare to. You put out the 200 Bailed & 250 Bailed this season. There must be some reasons you plan to manufacture both. Why are they? Is this New Reel going to have a bailess option? From what I can see in the pic, the knob uses the same idea that ZeeBass had (metal knob with a band if rubber). ZeeBaas tried it with O Rings where after time in the elements is failed. If I am correct about the way you did it, will the rubber stand up to the test of time from wether and the elemenets? Weight, what ZeeBass had on your Bailed models was weight. Is this new VanStaal a lighter family of reels? If so will the loss of weight have any effects on it being any less of a tank that Van Staal has been, Drag. The one thing that ZeeBass got right from the get-go was an awsome, smooth, even drag that was superior to the Van Staal Drag. Bottom line, is this a newley engineerd drag? I kept my ZeeBaas 25 unserviced after a fall of fishing hard in various areas of Long Island that have a differrent sand consistency. Note, that real never left the beach and was exposed to the elements 24/7. I would love to buy your new reel and put it through the same rock and sand pounding fishing and see how it holds up and compares, Good luck with this reel. I hope its a killer. Tight Lines, Rob Rob, good to have you back... Chris I'm on a bridge to a better day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 TBD, I have a VSB 250, and I wanted the similar sized Zee, but could not get one at that time. Can you tell me what the differences are between the 2 reels drag-wise? I had no issues cranking in the striper in my sig out of the Canal, in full current, and my drag did fine, but I am curious how these reels compare. I'm pretty new to these high end reels. Kinda like learning about high end Compound Bows when I was a rookie. SO much to learn. I love the look, and feel of the Zee's. I may have to grab one for my kayak rig. (that'll have to be next year.....as I will have to squirrel away for one, lest my wife KILL me, lol.) God, I need a raise, lol. The first thing you'll notice on a Z's drag as compared to the VS is There is almost no noticeable start up stickyness. You'll notice on the hookset, when you almost punch yourself in the nose. With the VS's Ive owned it took a bit to get the spool spinning, not saying it was a problem at all, still has a awesome drag. But the Z is flawless (unless you get sand under the knob, but that was a very simple fix.) The Z's drag is like that of a high end fly reel, near zero start up inertia. "Panacheless is no way to go through life" Tims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThrowingTimber Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Congrats you made a Quantum Boca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMD Sean Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 If you fish in a lake with rapalas then your head and the rest of you does not get wet, you don't need a sealed reel, you don't know what is like to fish in the surf at 3:30 in the morning- in a storm with your reel underwater and your opinion is worthless. The reel you have does not determine the time you go out. Whether its stormy out or not does not determine the reel you own. If he fished a lake but needs to get to a spot, and he needs a reel that can get dunked and have mud and sand deposit on it than yes he needs a sealed reel. BTW who ever said he's never fished a stormy beach in the morning? Your argument stated that if his reel was underwater with a storm overhead.. Why can't he have his reel underwater in a lake, is it not wet enough? Your opinion sir is worthless.... SOL Member #9916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat addicted Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Does TimS sell VS reels in the SOL on-line store? Good question........ "Quality before Quantity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wader-dad Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 The reel you have does not determine the time you go out. Whether its stormy out or not does not determine the reel you own. If he fished a lake but needs to get to a spot, and he needs a reel that can get dunked and have mud and sand deposit on it than yes he needs a sealed reel. BTW who ever said he's never fished a stormy beach in the morning? Your argument stated that if his reel was underwater with a storm overhead.. Why can't he have his reel underwater in a lake, is it not wet enough? Your opinion sir is worthless.... Genius- I was responding to Wet Head's opinion that a Van Staal is a coffee grinder and then he makes fun of us New England Striper fisherman who buy Van Staal reels and Hunter Surf Bags. Obviously he thinks that they are over priced toys that are not necessary and jerks buy them to make a fashion statement. There is a need for Van Staal reels- there are guys - the top surfcasters in the North East who need a Van Staal Reel and beat the hell out of them in the middle of the night in storms over 200 nights a year, slam them on granite rocks and even Van Staals end up failing. And if they want to wait a year and a half and pay $400 for one of Jimmy's Hunter Surf Bags that will last 10 years instead of one season- then all the power to them. I do not know what Wet Head has against Van Staal or Hunter Bags but Sean why don't you read the posts in the thread and try to keep up -I guess you are a little slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMD Sean Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Genius- I was responding to Wet Head's opinion that a Van Staal is a coffee grinder and then he makes fun of us New England Striper fisherman who buy Van Staal reels and Hunter Surf Bags. Obviously he thinks that they are over priced toys that are not necessary and jerks buy them to make a fashion statement. There is a need for Van Staal reels- there are guys - the top surfcasters in the North East who need a Van Staal Reel and beat the hell out of them in the middle of the night in storms over 200 nights a year, slam them on granite rocks and even Van Staals end up failing. And if they want to wait a year and a half and pay $400 for one of Jimmy's Hunter Surf Bags that will last 10 years instead of one season- then all the power to them. I do not know what Wet Head has against Van Staal or Hunter Bags but Sean why don't you read the posts in the thread and try to keep up -I guess you are a little slow. Not slow, just lazy.. Previous post understood.. I apologize. SOL Member #9916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocket500 Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Mine spent a lot of time under water last night, filled up with sand several times when I got hit by a waves and just rinsed out in salt water. Landed a truckload of bruiser blues in the 8-10lb range and bass to 39 inches without a glitch. I might rinse it off, or I might not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wet Head Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 There is a need for Van Staal reels- there are guys - the top surfcasters in the North East who need a Van Staal Reel and beat the hell out of them in the middle of the night in storms over 200 nights a year, slam them on granite rocks and even Van Staals end up failing. I do not know what Wet Head has against Van Staal or Hunter Bags but Sean why don't you read the posts in the thread and try to keep up -I guess you are a little slow. Ditch, Read between the lines. It's a wonderful piece of equipment for the purpose it's designed for. Van Staal, with the help of others have people buying them to use for bait on spiked rods. Does anyone read these posts, or do they just spitting somthing out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morone Marauder Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Reelone Is this new model die cast and machined, or machined from billet like the originals? Are we ever going to see a bailess skirted spool version to compete with ZeeBass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night_Stiper Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 guys, The picture looks like a composite of a 1st gen Zeebaas - notice the shape of the gear case and the screws. The rotor also looks identical [what you can see of it]. Night_Stiper Wake up, smile, enjoy life - repeat daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodyCT Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Mine spent a lot of time under water last night, filled up with sand several times when I got hit by a waves and just rinsed out in salt water. Landed a truckload of bruiser blues in the 8-10lb range and bass to 39 inches without a glitch. I might rinse it off, or I might not. And that is what the reel was engineered to do! Unlike other similarly priced reels that are engineered to pull big, strong, fast fish up from the depths onto a boat deck. Do you think a Stella could have handled what your VS did last night? Jon Bait is for old men and little boys... real men plug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wet Head Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 And that is what the reel was engineered to do! Unlike other similarly priced reels that are engineered to pull big, strong, fast fish up from the depths onto a boat deck. Do you think a Stella could have handled what your VS did last night? Jon Except for the underwater part which thankfully is not necessary to catch quality fish in my area, my Stella 4000 has done all that and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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