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It Will Take Gas Prices Over 10 Bucks................

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To get the job done. To get these lying bums out of office.

 

A sustained $10 per gallon for a year will wake folks up that these libs are out of their minds.

 

I am giving credt to libs on this. I predict that 99 % of libs convictions will go down the drain. Thay will go broke and cry uncle.cwm27.gif

 

It almost happened when gas hit 4- 5 bucks a gallon but people fell for the obama lie that we will drill, ETC;

 

 

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Drill? Oh, what a novel idea! If the idiots in Washington would have given the go ahead and drilled years ago, we wouldn't be in the mess we are. You can talk green all you want, but most here don't remember the 70's... the same crap was talked about then and nothing good happened.

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Its 2009 we can do better then drillin.

 

Finally big oil cant use their money to keep other things down.

 

Its going to be exciting to see what we come up with and improve over th next few years smile.gif

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View Postunless we have nationalized oil, more drilling on our land won't make as much of a difference as you think...IMO

 

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Its going to be exciting to see what we come up with and improve over th next few years smile.gif

 

I saw the future last weekend driving to C.Cod. Trying to pull on to the highway and get up to speed was this little **** box called a smart car.cwm31.gif

 

Anyone that would put his or her family in a tin can like that is out of there mind. If I had hit it with my truck it probably wouldn't have even left a mark.

 

All your going to get is crappy unsafe cars, 10 dollar gas, and huge tax increases to fund this nonsense.

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US reached peak oil in 1970. Saudi Arabia will be there in 2015. Get used to the idea that more people are going to want more oil than is available. Prices are going up, way up. Maybe not this year, but within a few years...Drilling is like giving an IV drip to a guy who needs a tourniquet.

 

BTW, should the government fund the drilling?

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The US doesn`t have any sustainable supply. Its a pipe dream/political game.

 

Are argument for the sake of deflection and nothing else.

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View PostUS reached peak oil in 1970. Saudi Arabia will be there in 2015. Get used to the idea that more people are going to want more oil than is available. Prices are going up, way up. Maybe not this year, but within a few years...Drilling is like giving an IV drip to a guy who needs a tourniquet.

 

BTW, should the government fund the drilling?

 

 

In-the-home demand for electricity will also increase.

 

The IEA expects that residential energy use by information and communication technologies (mobile phones, PCs etc.) and electronic devices (TVs, DVs, MP3 players, etc.) will double by 2022 and increase threefold by 2030, equivalent to the current combined total residential electricity consumption of the US and Japan.

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View PostIts 2009 we can do better then drillin.

 

Finally big oil cant use their money to keep other things down.

 

Its going to be exciting to see what we come up with and improve over th next few years smile.gif

 

Like what?

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View PostIts 2009 we can do better then drillin.

 

Finally big oil cant use their money to keep other things down.

 

Its going to be exciting to see what we come up with and improve over th next few years smile.gif

 

Can you go out and live a life where you aren't dependent on oil? And, if you can, do you?

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View PostIts 2009 we can do better then drillin.

 

Finally big oil cant use their money to keep other things down.

 

Its going to be exciting to see what we come up with and improve over th next few years smile.gif

 

 

Here are some energy consumption figures which frame the difficulty of developing viable substitutes for petroleum in just a few years.

 

That cubic mile

 

A lot's been said lately about how much energy is in a cubic mile of oil. This is roughly the amount the world uses in a year.

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Assumptions: The Three Gorges Dam is rated at its full design capacity of 18 gigawatts. A nuclear power plant is postulated to be the equivalent of a 1.1-GW unit at the Diablo Canyon plant in California. A coal plant is one rated at 500 megawatts. A wind turbine is one with a 100‑meter blade span, and rated at 1.65 MW. A solar panel is a 2.1‑­kilowatt system made for home roofs. In comparing ­categories, bear in mind that the average amount of time that power is produced varies among them, so that total energy obtained is not a simple function of power rating.

Leaving aside some errors (the coal and nuclear numbers are off by about 10% to each other, and the capacity factor of wind turbines should be closer to 30%) the most essential oversight in that equation is elephantine:

It compares oil's inputs to the other's outputs.

Compared to that, the rest is small potatoes.

 

 

According to IEEE Spectrum, a cubic mile of oil has energy equivalent to:

  • 4 Three Gorges dams, cranking for 50 years.

  • 32850 1.65 megawatt wind turbines, cranking for 50 years (100% capacity factor).

  • 91,250,000 2.1 kW solar PV installations, for 50 years.

  • 104 500 megawatt coal-fired electric plants, for 50 years.

  • 52 1.1 gigawatt nuclear electric plants, for 50 years.
Let's start this analysis over, with these figures:

  • A barrel of oil has 6.1 gigajoules (GJ) of chemical energy.

  • A cubic mile is 26.2 billion barrels (42 gallons/bbl). (The USA uses about 20.5 million bbl/day, or 7.5 billion barrels/year; this comes to less than a third of a cubic mile annually. World annual consumption is closer to 1.3 cubic miles.)
By this, a cubic mile of oil is even more impressive: 1.60*1020 joules. That's 5070 gigawatt-years of energy, nearly twice IEEE's estimate. But that's what we put in. What do we get out of it, and what would it take to replace it?

Ins and outs

 

Oil gets turned into a bunch of different things, and those uses vary widely in efficiency. If used for heat, oil can be very efficient. Bunker fuel burned in low-speed marine diesels can yield 50% efficiency. But our most important uses of oil are also the least efficient.

Take the average car or light truck. They don't run on crude oil; they require a highly refined fraction known as gasoline. Demands of octane rating, vapor pressure and sulfur and aromatic content increase the losses in the refining process. One source claims 82.9% efficiency from an oil well to a refinery's gasoline output. That cubic mile just got smaller.

But the losses are just starting! The average vehicle is very inefficient, turning just 14.9% of the energy that goes into the tank to work done against air and rolling resistance. The rest is lost in the engine, transmission and brakes. From well to wheels, the total is a pathetic 12.4%. That cubic mile just shrunk by half... in all three dimensions! Diesel is more efficient both at the refining end (87.9%) and the consumption end (35-40% engine efficiency in heavy trucks) but overall throughput is still around 1/3.

If the world followed US patterns (it doesn't, but it's not that far off), refineries would average perhaps 90% efficient. Gasoline would be about 43% of the total energy of the product supplied, distillate (diesel and heating oil) 22%, jet fuel 8.3%. All the rest comes to 27%. If we drop jet fuel as non-essential and add the rest up by efficiency (14.9% gasoline, 40% diesel), the total useful energy comes to 42.2% of the input. Best of all, only 15.2% of that is mechanical work; the rest is heat.

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Thats 3 years of this countries total energy usage.

 

What we are trying to do is take sections of energy use and find ways to reduce the use of oil on them.

 

Some things will be easily switched, others wont.

 

But the oil companies have been holding other forms on energy down. They cant keep it down anymore. I wonder how much tech was already made that they bought up and hid in a hole to keep their racket going...

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View PostYup, hopfully our laws will prevent a monolopy or cartel like the oil industry was able to do

 

 

Guess who is going to get rich, 2 words "General Electric"... Obama and the libs love these asshats...wink.gif

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