Robert Williams Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 saying *I am a republican* is silly. You can support the republican party, but you are not a *political identity*. You can't be a *conservative* you can only favor conservative ideology. Yet people will fight to the bitter end to defend what in essence is imaginary, identifying with a BRAND. Do you like coke, pepsi, other. Are you coke or pepsi? No. But if some insults your preferred brand you will defend it as though you are defending yourself, not an abstract political ideology. And none of this is addressing what happens when a brand is patently misguided and the followers take umbrage... tea partys, torture, pre emptive war I see what you're trying to get at now and you're right. There are people here that take the "more conservative than thou" approach. In other words, they're conservative and everyone else isn't. I lean toward conservative philosophy rather heavily, but can't agree with everything every so-called "conservaitve" believes to be so. What's really funny is that people will argue about who's most conservative as a laudable thing but no one wants to be called a liberal. Can't say I blame those of the liberal persuasion for trying to distance themselves from the term "liberal", though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantilever Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 What's really funny is that people will argue about who's most conservative as a laudable thing but no one wants to be called a liberal. Can't say I blame those of the liberal persuasion for trying to distance themselves from the term "liberal", though. The reason is the members here are a majority of right leaning people. A portion of the right leaners bash anything with liberal next to it. Or will find something horrible and call it liberal. So it seems pretty obvious why people dont want to be called something that gets attacked here on a constant basis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimG Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 The reason is the members here are a majority of right leaning people. A portion of the right leaners bash anything with liberal next to it. Or will find something horrible and call it liberal. So it seems pretty obvious why people dont want to be called something that gets attacked here on a constant basis... Do you actually think it is one sided in here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Williams Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 So it seems pretty obvious why people dont want to be called something that gets attacked here on a constant basis... Conservatives get attacked here on a constant basis but they're not ashamed of the word or label "conservative". I guess that's one of the differences between liberals and conservatives. Not that anyone here could ever be any of those "labels", of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantilever Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Do you actually think it is one sided in here? No, and I didnt say that. However IMO if we tallied the number of republicans and democrats I think the majority would be republicans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantilever Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Conservatives get attacked here on a constant basis but they're not ashamed of the word or label "conservative". I guess that's one of the differences between liberals and conservatives. Not that anyone here could ever be any of those "labels", of course. Not really as much at all. There is plenty of bashing form the other side, dont get me wrong. But the word "conservative" isnt used as a demeaning term nearly as much as liberal is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk Freud Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 The reason is the members here are a majority of right leaning people. A portion of the right leaners bash anything with liberal next to it. Or will find something horrible and call it liberal. So it seems pretty obvious why people dont want to be called something that gets attacked here on a constant basis... That sums it up. This forum is dominated by right-wingers and they use *librul* as a pejorative. What's really an eye opener is WHY. why do right-wingers have such emotion responses to liberal or socialism? Is it because they project their undesirable traits ONTO the weak lib lefties Is it because they are genuinely fearful of leftist ideology? Most of the globe leans LEFT. For decades now *The Establishement* has smeared socialist values. They have fought the working class' rights to organize...till this day even. They use public education as an indoctrination to OBEY Authority. They create class distinctions to punish and reward conformity. Why do the ruling elite fear leftist values to the extent that they propagandize EVERY policy which threatens their domination over the majority of citizens And the poor working class rubes buy the propaganda... hook, line & sinker Destroying psychological barriers to the stateless society of free people since 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk Freud Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 But the word "conservative" isnt used as a demeaning term nearly as much as liberal is That's right. And it's not just about the term liberal. It's about the context and tone in which it's used. Oddly, we have NO working definitions for any political ideology. what the conservative hold up as their ideology exists soley in their minds, there is no real word working example of conservatism. Unless you understand that the end game in conservative ideology looks a LOT like Mexico, lots of peasants *competing* for work and a small group of idle rich sucking the wealth from the nation. Those that fail to rise to elite status are simply lazy people. They lack motivation, not the means or access to wealth. Destroying psychological barriers to the stateless society of free people since 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Williams Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 But the word "conservative" isnt used as a demeaning term nearly as much as liberal is Well, DUH?! That's because "conservative" is a good thing and "liberal" not so much. It's like a pickpocket preferring to be called a "personal property reallocation specialist" because the word "pickpocket" carries a negative connotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Williams Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 That's right. And it's not just about the term liberal. It's about the context and tone in which it's used. Oddly, we have NO working definitions for any political ideology. what the conservative hold up as their ideology exists soley in their minds, there is no real word working example of conservatism. Unless you understand that the end game in conservative ideology looks a LOT like Mexico, lots of peasants *competing* for work and a small group of idle rich sucking the wealth from the nation. Those that fail to rise to elite status are simply lazy people. They lack motivation, not the means or access to wealth. See, the difference between me and you is that as much as you consider "conservative" to be a word used in the perjorative, I couldn't care less and don't accept the negative image you have in your mind for it. But if you think someone is calling you a "liberal" in what you consider to be the perjorative, you feel like you have been demeaned, giving tacit agreement to the negative connotation of the word. If you believe it, then own it; no shame in your game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantilever Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Another thing is I bet the use of the word "liberal" is mostly written by non liberals. Its used as a demeaning word more then not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Williams Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Another thing is I bet the use of the word "liberal" is mostly written by non liberals. Its used as a demeaning word more then not. I think the same about liberal political beliefs whether they're called "progressive" or "liberal" or anything else anyone wants to call them. One who actively engages in liberal politics is a liberal. If someone thinks that's a good, positive, honest, and enlightened philosophy, why are they embarassed by it no matter what I or anyone else thinks? Now that's something that should make you go... hmmmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 One who actively engages in liberal politics is a liberal. Tell that the Republicans of the board including yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantilever Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 I think the same about liberal political beliefs whether they're called "progressive" or "liberal" or anything else anyone wants to call them. One who actively engages in liberal politics is a liberal. If someone thinks that's a good, positive, honest, and enlightened philosophy, why are they embarassed by it no matter what I or anyone else thinks? Now that's something that should make you go... hmmmmm? No I already answered why. People dont like being attacked. It not being embarassed. Its about not dealing with some jerk calling you anti American because you support unions. Maybe its that people dont want to deal with that crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Williams Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 No I already answered why. People dont like being attacked. It not being embarassed. Its about not dealing with some jerk calling you anti American because you support unions. Maybe its that people dont want to deal with that crap I can see why someone would have a problem with being called anti-American. So are you saying that you think "liberal" really means "anti-American"? I don't know what supporting unions has to do with being anti-American but I digress. This is already strange enough without going into that tangent. I never did ask... do you consider yourself to be a liberal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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