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View Postsaying *I am a republican* is silly.

You can support the republican party,

but you are not a *political identity*.

 

You can't be a *conservative*

you can only favor conservative ideology.

Yet people will fight to the bitter end to defend

what in essence is imaginary, identifying with a BRAND.

Do you like coke, pepsi, other.

Are you coke or pepsi? No.

But if some insults your preferred brand you will defend it

as though you are defending yourself, not an abstract political ideology.

And none of this is addressing what happens when a brand is patently

misguided and the followers take umbrage... tea partys, torture, pre emptive war

 

I see what you're trying to get at now and you're right. There are people here that take the "more conservative than thou" approach. In other words, they're conservative and everyone else isn't.

 

I lean toward conservative philosophy rather heavily, but can't agree with everything every so-called "conservaitve" believes to be so.

 

What's really funny is that people will argue about who's most conservative as a laudable thing but no one wants to be called a liberal. Can't say I blame those of the liberal persuasion for trying to distance themselves from the term "liberal", though.

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What's really funny is that people will argue about who's most conservative as a laudable thing but no one wants to be called a liberal. Can't say I blame those of the liberal persuasion for trying to distance themselves from the term "liberal", though.

 

The reason is the members here are a majority of right leaning people.

 

 

A portion of the right leaners bash anything with liberal next to it. Or will find something horrible and call it liberal.

 

 

So it seems pretty obvious why people dont want to be called something that gets attacked here on a constant basis...

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View PostThe reason is the members here are a majority of right leaning people.

 

A portion of the right leaners bash anything with liberal next to it. Or will find something horrible and call it liberal.

 

So it seems pretty obvious why people dont want to be called something that gets attacked here on a constant basis...

 

 

Do you actually think it is one sided in here?

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View PostSo it seems pretty obvious why people dont want to be called something that gets attacked here on a constant basis...

 

Conservatives get attacked here on a constant basis but they're not ashamed of the word or label "conservative". I guess that's one of the differences between liberals and conservatives. Not that anyone here could ever be any of those "labels", of course. smile.gif

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View PostConservatives get attacked here on a constant basis but they're not ashamed of the word or label "conservative". I guess that's one of the differences between liberals and conservatives. Not that anyone here could ever be any of those "labels", of course. smile.gif

 

Not really as much at all.

 

 

There is plenty of bashing form the other side, dont get me wrong.

 

 

But the word "conservative" isnt used as a demeaning term nearly as much as liberal is

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View PostThe reason is the members here are a majority of right leaning people.

 

 

A portion of the right leaners bash anything with liberal next to it. Or will find something horrible and call it liberal.

 

 

So it seems pretty obvious why people dont want to be called something that gets attacked here on a constant basis...

 

That sums it up.

 

This forum is dominated by right-wingers and they use *librul* as a pejorative.

 

 

What's really an eye opener is WHY.

 

why do right-wingers have such emotion responses to liberal or socialism?

 

Is it because they project their undesirable traits ONTO the weak lib lefties

 

Is it because they are genuinely fearful of leftist ideology?

 

Most of the globe leans LEFT.

 

 

For decades now *The Establishement* has smeared socialist values.

 

They have fought the working class' rights to organize...till this day even.

 

They use public education as an indoctrination to OBEY Authority.

 

They create class distinctions to punish and reward conformity.

 

Why do the ruling elite fear leftist values to the extent that they

 

propagandize EVERY policy which threatens their domination over

 

the majority of citizens headscratch.gif

 

 

And the poor working class rubes buy the propaganda... hook, line & sinker kooky.gif

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View PostBut the word "conservative" isnt used as a demeaning term nearly as much as liberal is

 

That's right.

 

And it's not just about the term liberal.

 

It's about the context and tone in which it's used.

 

 

Oddly, we have NO working definitions for any political ideology.

 

what the conservative hold up as their ideology exists soley

 

in their minds, there is no real word working example of conservatism.

 

Unless you understand that the end game in conservative ideology

 

looks a LOT like Mexico, lots of peasants *competing* for work

 

and a small group of idle rich sucking the wealth from the nation.

 

Those that fail to rise to elite status are simply lazy people.

 

They lack motivation, not the means or access to wealth.

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View PostBut the word "conservative" isnt used as a demeaning term nearly as much as liberal is

 

Well, DUH?! That's because "conservative" is a good thing and "liberal" not so much. It's like a pickpocket preferring to be called a "personal property reallocation specialist" because the word "pickpocket" carries a negative connotation. wink.gif

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View PostThat's right.

And it's not just about the term liberal.

It's about the context and tone in which it's used.

 

Oddly, we have NO working definitions for any political ideology.

what the conservative hold up as their ideology exists soley

in their minds, there is no real word working example of conservatism.

Unless you understand that the end game in conservative ideology

looks a LOT like Mexico, lots of peasants *competing* for work

and a small group of idle rich sucking the wealth from the nation.

Those that fail to rise to elite status are simply lazy people.

They lack motivation, not the means or access to wealth.

 

See, the difference between me and you is that as much as you consider "conservative" to be a word used in the perjorative, I couldn't care less and don't accept the negative image you have in your mind for it. But if you think someone is calling you a "liberal" in what you consider to be the perjorative, you feel like you have been demeaned, giving tacit agreement to the negative connotation of the word.

 

If you believe it, then own it; no shame in your game.

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View PostAnother thing is I bet the use of the word "liberal" is mostly written by non liberals.

 

Its used as a demeaning word more then not.

 

I think the same about liberal political beliefs whether they're called "progressive" or "liberal" or anything else anyone wants to call them. One who actively engages in liberal politics is a liberal. If someone thinks that's a good, positive, honest, and enlightened philosophy, why are they embarassed by it no matter what I or anyone else thinks? Now that's something that should make you go... hmmmmm? confused.gif

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View PostI think the same about liberal political beliefs whether they're called "progressive" or "liberal" or anything else anyone wants to call them. One who actively engages in liberal politics is a liberal. If someone thinks that's a good, positive, honest, and enlightened philosophy, why are they embarassed by it no matter what I or anyone else thinks? Now that's something that should make you go... hmmmmm? confused.gif

 

No I already answered why.

 

 

People dont like being attacked. It not being embarassed. Its about not dealing with some jerk calling you anti American because you support unions.

 

 

Maybe its that people dont want to deal with that crap

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View PostNo I already answered why.

 

People dont like being attacked. It not being embarassed. Its about not dealing with some jerk calling you anti American because you support unions.

 

Maybe its that people dont want to deal with that crap

 

I can see why someone would have a problem with being called anti-American. So are you saying that you think "liberal" really means "anti-American"? I don't know what supporting unions has to do with being anti-American but I digress. This is already strange enough without going into that tangent.

 

I never did ask... do you consider yourself to be a liberal?

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