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Robert Williams

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View PostMmmm, I don't think so.

 

 

When you outlaw something, you are artificially raising its price by decree.

 

Any impingement on supply will "artificially raise prices"

 

That's what happens in a "free market"

 

My example is less than stellar because of the legal implications

 

but if you try to score on the street...

 

that transaction is epitome of the "the free market".

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Ever hear about a time when neighbors didn't lock their doors?

When you could count on a neighbor making a sacrifice to help others?

How far have we come since that time?

 

How fare have we come? I don't know about "we", but let me ask you this. How far do you live from a red state? Red states tend to be conservative in nature, more rural, more tight knit.

 

Actually, you can find that sort of environment in Pennsylvania, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. Probably not anywhere in NJ because everyone knows nothing worth a damn ever came from New Jersey, but I digress....

 

If you live in a metropolitan liberal stronghold like Philadelphia or New York, you can't expect small-town values to be the rule.

 

Now what's this got to do with capitalism vs. socialism again?

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View PostIn a system where the government takes more and more of what you make as you get more and more successful, there comes a point where it no longer behooves people to be successful.

 

And when everyone gets to suck the government tit even if they do nothing productive at all - paid for by those who are, a phenomenon I like to call "the dead race" begins.

 

Did you ever notice that the object of every race is to see who goes the fastest. Did you ever notice that there is no type of race at all in which the object is to see who can go the slowest?

 

If you tried to have a race to see who could go the slowest, you'd have a line of racers as far as the eye could see, frozen in time, refusing to move and looking for all intents and purposes like they're in rigor mortis. You have "the dead race". Nothing happens. Nothing will ever happen. No one will move. And ultimately, the object will be to see who drops dead last and the last person to starve to death without ever leaving the the starting blocks wins.

 

On a 60 Minutes segment, Morley Safer went to Denmark to explore and understand happy Danish culture.

Danes are said to be the happiest of people.

Safer found Danes happy, but a people with low expectations.

I cannot reconcile human happiness with a non-aspirational approach to life.

I do consider that aspiration can reach in widely differing directions.

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View PostNow what's this got to do with capitalism vs. socialism again?

 

Nothing.

 

It has everything to do with ethics and national character.

 

And those "red states" which you describe so warmly...

 

are the meth capital of the nation, highest unwed birthrates, highest

 

divorce rates, worst education, worst health care rationing blah blah blah

 

 

NO economic system will ever succeed unless people are moral and ethical.

 

Most all our current economic woes are DIRECTLY connected to greed.

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View PostAs society demonstrates that it can handle freedom responsibly the restrictions are removed...

 

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"Here, put on these chains until I decide you're mature enough to be free."

 

How the **** can society demonstrate it can handle freedom if its un-free? Thats not how you raise children, thats how you raise livestock that you've already decided will die in bondage. Children learn to handle freedom by having freedom and learning it's sometimes hard lessons when they misuse it. This is like saying you're going to teach your kids to be responsible drivers by never letting them drive. No man deserves to live in chains, bound by laws made by others who claim a higher authority and the power to decide what, if any freedoms he shall have. Such is the relationship between slave and master.

 

Your's is the credo of tyrants, mystics, and killers Punk, and I'm becoming convinced that you know it too.

I've done stuff I ain't proud of, and the stuff I am proud of is disgusting.

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View PostAlso, some people want to do their own thing so much that the gummit can't stop them without killing them. And after they kill off those people, even the rubes don't have a groove for the whole state first thing. Then you have to start killing them off. Stalin and Krushev couldn't kill em off fast enough, and they were the BEST at it.

 

Worship of Stalin is resurgent in Russia.

He is thought to have had requisite toughness when called for, "the right stuff."

Russians see some of Stalin in Putin, characteristics which enhance his popularity.

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How the **** can society demonstrate it can handle freedom if its un-free? Thats not how you raise children, thats how you raise livestock that you've already decided will die in bondage. Children learn to handle freedom by having freedom and learning it's sometimes hard lessons when they misuse it. This is like saying you're going to teach your kids to be responsible drivers by never letting them drive. No man deserves to live in chains, bound by laws made by others who claim a higher authority and the power to decide what, if any freedoms he shall have.

 

Is that really how your mind moves?

 

If so, it illustrates a profound ignorance of human learning and development.

 

I think people who have little or no understanding of psychological

 

development should steer clear of proposing public policy redface.gif

 

 

If you had a child who made bad choices and was irresponsible

 

all during adolescence would you sit them behind the wheel of

 

5000 lbs of kinetic energy??? Srsly?

 

I'm Ok with restricting that individual UNTIL they demonstrate

 

some inkling of growth and maturity.

 

 

Why is it we can have absolutely immoral, unethical and even criminals

 

running corporations... Maddoff, Enron, WallStreet, and still whine like

 

children that regulations are bad... despite witnessing the consequences

 

of their bad actions?

 

 

You blame the government, an institution, when it's the actions of individuals?

 

Can't wait for more of you tyrant, mystical pabulum cwm13.gif

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View PostWhy is it we can have absolutely immoral, unethical and even criminals

running corporations... Maddoff, Enron, WallStreet, and still whine like

children that regulations are bad... despite witnessing the consequences

of their bad actions?

 

If government stayed the hell out of it those consequences would be limited to the people that chose to do business with them or risk their capital by investing in those companies.

 

I don't give a damn about those rightful consequences - when shareholders blindly accept proxy solicitations for their votes and let others elect the board members that hire corrupt or inept executives those people deserve to lose their shirts. Government involvement made the rest of us share the cost.

I've done stuff I ain't proud of, and the stuff I am proud of is disgusting.

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View PostIf government stayed the hell out of it those consequences would be limited to the people that chose to do business with them or risk their capital by investing in those companies.

 

 

I don't give a damn about those rightful consequences - when shareholders blindly accept proxy solicitations for their votes and let others elect the board members that hire corrupt or inept executives those people deserve to lose their shirts. Government involvement made the rest of us share the cost.

 

To bad everyone suffers when a corporation that is

 

"to big to fail", fails. The consequence of bad management

 

on WallStreet is costing EVERYONE, not only "investors".

 

 

Are you really this obtuse to the interdependence of EVERYTHING

 

Is it just easier to pretend that life is nothing more than separate events,

 

each insulated from the other by an invisible vacuum?

 

 

BTW, I find your slave, chains, oppressive, mystic rhetoric amuesing

 

You are SOOO the "Freedom Fighter" wink.gif

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Come on Punk, you know how you were going to come off when you started equating people to children that lack the responsibility to be trusted with running their own lives. That stuff just screams Mau, Stalin, et al - maybe that was the point, to illicit such a response from me, get me using terms that sound maniacal. cwm13.gif

I've done stuff I ain't proud of, and the stuff I am proud of is disgusting.

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They did sound a bit anarchistic actually

"I have ... put a lump of ice into an equal quantity of water ...  if a little sea salt be added to the water we shall produce a fluid sensibly colder than the ice was in the beginning, which has appeared a curious and puzzling thing to those unacquainted with the general fact."- Joseph Black

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View PostCome on Punk, you know how you were going to come off when you started equating people to children that lack the responsibility to be trusted with running their own lives.

 

well how does a society organize itself to protect members it's from inequity?

 

How does the same society ensure that each successive generation

 

has the developmental foundation to ensure the perpetuation of said society?

 

 

I'm open to you using real societies as examples.

 

How about those Amish?

 

Any aboriginal societies you wish to reference?

 

How about western civilization?

 

Where and/or when have people DEMONSTRATED that they

 

don't require supervision, government, taboos, or traditions

 

to maintain social order?

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View Postwell how does a society organize itself to protect members it's from inequity?

 

As a society, it shouldn't. Perceptions of inequity and remedies for it are individual judgments and should be restricted to the individual, to remedy or ignore as he chooses, not to be forced upon him by a collective claiming a right that supercedes his rights as an individual.

 

View PostWhere and/or when have people DEMONSTRATED that they

don't require supervision, government, taboos, or traditions

to maintain social order?

 

Where have people ever existed without traditions? headscratch.gif

 

I'm still perplexed how you can claim to want a stateless society in one breath and insist that people need to be controlled and their freedoms restricted by the state in the next.

I've done stuff I ain't proud of, and the stuff I am proud of is disgusting.

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