Paul_M Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 I'm thoroughly relived to find out we are not COMPLETELY socialist, yet. See you on the big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 "The time for debate is OVER". B Hussein Obama. “My happiness is not the means to any end. It is the end. It is its own goal. It is its own purpose.” Ayn Rand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk Freud Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 I'm thoroughly relived to find out we are not COMPLETELY socialist, yet. Funny, I did the same thing only I was expecting a COMPLETELY capitalist free-market utopia Lets face the facts, m'kay We HAVE a mixed economy, and it works when people behave ethically. Some sectors should be the province of government. For example, social safety nets such as the the military, police, medicine, and MOST utilities (energy, water, communications as they concern national security). Reaganomics tried to deregulate and privatize the whole damn country for the benefit of a VERY SMALL group of wealthy people. We are now experiencing the inevitable consequences of that misguided and criminal experiment. Moving forward will require that people recognize and accept that a mixed economy is the only realistic way out of this part of our social evolution. Partisan rancor and arguing for clearly failed political and economic ideology only makes things more difficult and complicated. In fact it's arguing against the nations best interests. Destroying psychological barriers to the stateless society of free people since 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Funny, I did the same thing only I was expecting a COMPLETELY capitalist free-market utopia Lets face the facts, m'kay We HAVE a mixed economy, and it works when people behave ethically. Some sectors should be the province of government. For example, social safety nets such as the the military, police, medicine, and MOST utilities (energy, water, communications as they concern national security). Reaganomics tried to deregulate and privatize the whole damn country for the benefit of a VERY SMALL group of wealthy people. We are now experiencing the inevitable consequences of that misguided and criminal experiment. Moving forward will require that people recognize and accept that a mixed economy is the only realistic way out of this part of our social evolution. Partisan rancor and arguing for clearly failed political and economic ideology only makes things more difficult and complicated. In fact it's arguing against the nations best interests. Name something the .Gov runs that 'works' right? * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk Freud Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Name something the .Gov runs that 'works' right? They run Enron, AIG, World Com, Arthur Anderson, GM, Chrysler Haliburton... Oh wait, those are the highly productive and efficiently run private corporations. See my point? Things only "work" when competent and ethical people run them. And those people are in short supply None of which changes the reality that we HAVE and should start accepting that a mixed economy is the only way out of this stage of our social evolution. Destroying psychological barriers to the stateless society of free people since 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickrazz Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Things only "work" when competent and ethical people run them. And those people are in short supply I'm as far right as you are left but I must agree with your statement. They are all dishonest scumbags looking out for themselves. The Magnificent Presence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk Freud Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 I'm as far right as you are left but I must agree with your statement. They are all dishonest scumbags looking out for themselves. Yes. I'm of the mind that if people did business ethically, and with a working moral compass, the partisan divide would shrink considerably without government intervention. Hence the "destroying the psychological barriers..." sig line Destroying psychological barriers to the stateless society of free people since 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight771 Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 The only problem with this is that now we see that the people who run government are as dishonest and unethical as big business. I always wonder at the people who are so horrified and distrustful of big business (which you don't have to get involved with at all if you don't want to) but seem to see big government as the answer to all problems. And big government can come to your house with guns and force you to obey whatever it wants. It can even kill you legally, if it so chooses. If I have to choose between Halliburton or even Enron and the USSR or the PRC, give me the corporations every time. And that was what Reagan was about, not some paranoid, ultra left, brain dead "helping a few rich friends" scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawker Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Hi Knight Soaking up some of that Florida "warmth"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundfisher Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 The only problem with this is that now we see that the people who run government are as dishonest and unethical as big business. I always wonder at the people who are so horrified and distrustful of big business (which you don't have to get involved with at all if you don't want to) but seem to see big government as the answer to all problems. And big government can come to your house with guns and force you to obey whatever it wants. It can even kill you legally, if it so chooses. Nail on head. The same folks who are running the corps to the gangplank are the same people itching for more government intervention...run by the most corrupt individuals in our country. Kikkoman Pro Staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_M Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 I'm as far right as you are left but I must agree with your statement. They are all dishonest scumbags looking out for themselves. We all need a reset/reboot of our moral and ethical compasses. There is not enough paper in all the forests of the world to regulate human behavior. There is no escaping some corporations. The govt has allowed a monopoly in railroads and the American public is paying dearly for that. In some respects there is no choice other than to submit and become their slave. See you on the big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundfisher Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 In some respects there is no choice other than to submit and become their slave. If the rest of America takes this stance, then that is exactly what will happen. Kikkoman Pro Staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk Freud Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Nail on head. The same folks who are running the corps to the gangplank are the same people itching for more government intervention...run by the most corrupt individuals in our country. That's not true. Some entity has to "intervene" when transgressions against the public occur. Business won't police itself, & the government is controlled buy business interests. A socio-political cconundrums if you will. I think many people left & right want honest and accountable business & government. Unfortunately we have to work with what we have. And that means cleaning out the dirt bags... Ted Stevens, Charley Rangle whoever, drag em into the light of day and expose them. Which is part of the thinking behind the Accepting Responsibility thread. Destroying psychological barriers to the stateless society of free people since 1966. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_M Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Some of the most fiercely independent, hard nosed customers of mine have had to swallow that bitter pill or go out of business. See you on the big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishsticking Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Yes. I'm of the mind that if people did business ethically, and with a working moral compass, the partisan divide would shrink considerably without government intervention. Hence the "destroying the psychological barriers..." sig line A CEO thinks that by taking as much as he can in compensations he is providing for his family and his heirs, is he acting morally? Yes he is aware that he is paying a mere pentance to his botton line workers, but that is what they are willing to work for, he is not willing to work for less. Is he really amoral or just does not live up to your moral standard, and who/what decides what the moral standard is. "meet our growth targets that put us on a pathway to growth." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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