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View PostI'm thoroughly relived to find out we are not COMPLETELY socialist, yet. redface.gif

 

Funny, I did the same thing only I was expecting a

COMPLETELY capitalist free-market utopia redface.gif

 

 

Lets face the facts, m'kay

We HAVE a mixed economy, and it works when people behave ethically.

Some sectors should be the province of government.

For example, social safety nets such as the the military, police, medicine,

and MOST utilities (energy, water, communications as they concern national security).

 

Reaganomics tried to deregulate and privatize the whole damn country

for the benefit of a VERY SMALL group of wealthy people.

We are now experiencing the inevitable consequences of that misguided and criminal experiment.

 

Moving forward will require that people recognize and accept that a mixed

economy is the only realistic way out of this part of our social evolution.

Partisan rancor and arguing for clearly failed political and economic

ideology only makes things more difficult and complicated.

In fact it's arguing against the nations best interests.

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View PostFunny, I did the same thing only I was expecting a

 

COMPLETELY capitalist free-market utopia redface.gif

 

 

Lets face the facts, m'kay

 

We HAVE a mixed economy, and it works when people behave ethically.

 

Some sectors should be the province of government.

 

For example, social safety nets such as the the military, police, medicine,

 

and MOST utilities (energy, water, communications as they concern national security).

 

 

Reaganomics tried to deregulate and privatize the whole damn country

 

for the benefit of a VERY SMALL group of wealthy people.

 

We are now experiencing the inevitable consequences of that misguided and criminal experiment.

 

 

Moving forward will require that people recognize and accept that a mixed

 

economy is the only realistic way out of this part of our social evolution.

 

Partisan rancor and arguing for clearly failed political and economic

 

ideology only makes things more difficult and complicated.

 

In fact it's arguing against the nations best interests.

 

Name something the .Gov runs that 'works' right?

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View PostName something the .Gov runs that 'works' right?

 

They run Enron, AIG, World Com, Arthur Anderson, GM, Chrysler Haliburton...

Oh wait, those are the highly productive and efficiently run private corporations. cwm27.gif

See my point?

 

Things only "work" when competent and ethical people run them.

And those people are in short supply cwm13.gif

 

None of which changes the reality that we HAVE and should start

accepting that a mixed economy is the only way out of this stage

of our social evolution.

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Things only "work" when competent and ethical people run them.

And those people are in short supply cwm13.gif

 

 

I'm as far right as you are left but I must agree with your statement. They are all dishonest scumbags looking out for themselves.

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View PostI'm as far right as you are left but I must agree with your statement. They are all dishonest scumbags looking out for themselves.

 

Yes.

I'm of the mind that if people did business ethically,

and with a working moral compass, the partisan divide

would shrink considerably without government intervention.

Hence the "destroying the psychological barriers..." sig line wink.gif

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The only problem with this is that now we see that the people who run government are as dishonest and unethical as big business. I always wonder at the people who are so horrified and distrustful of big business (which you don't have to get involved with at all if you don't want to) but seem to see big government as the answer to all problems. And big government can come to your house with guns and force you to obey whatever it wants. It can even kill you legally, if it so chooses.

 

If I have to choose between Halliburton or even Enron and the USSR or the PRC, give me the corporations every time. And that was what Reagan was about, not some paranoid, ultra left, brain dead "helping a few rich friends" scenario.kooky.gifkooky.gif

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View PostThe only problem with this is that now we see that the people who run government are as dishonest and unethical as big business. I always wonder at the people who are so horrified and distrustful of big business (which you don't have to get involved with at all if you don't want to) but seem to see big government as the answer to all problems. And big government can come to your house with guns and force you to obey whatever it wants. It can even kill you legally, if it so chooses.

 

Nail on head. The same folks who are running the corps to the gangplank are the same people itching for more government intervention...run by the most corrupt individuals in our country. headscratch.gif

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View PostI'm as far right as you are left but I must agree with your statement. They are all dishonest scumbags looking out for themselves.

 

clapping.gif We all need a reset/reboot of our moral and ethical compasses. There is not enough paper in all the forests of the world to regulate human behavior.

 

There is no escaping some corporations. The govt has allowed a monopoly in railroads and the American public is paying dearly for that. In some respects there is no choice other than to submit and become their slave.

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View PostNail on head. The same folks who are running the corps to the gangplank are the same people itching for more government intervention...run by the most corrupt individuals in our country. headscratch.gif

 

That's not true.

Some entity has to "intervene" when transgressions against the public occur.

Business won't police itself, & the government is controlled buy business interests.

A socio-political cconundrums if you will.

 

I think many people left & right want honest and accountable

business & government.

Unfortunately we have to work with what we have.

And that means cleaning out the dirt bags...

Ted Stevens, Charley Rangle whoever,

drag em into the light of day and expose them.

Which is part of the thinking behind the Accepting Responsibility thread.

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View PostYes.

I'm of the mind that if people did business ethically,

and with a working moral compass, the partisan divide

would shrink considerably without government intervention.

Hence the "destroying the psychological barriers..." sig line wink.gif

 

 

A CEO thinks that by taking as much as he can in compensations he is providing for his family and his heirs, is he acting morally? Yes he is aware that he is paying a mere pentance to his botton line workers, but that is what they are willing to work for, he is not willing to work for less. Is he really amoral or just does not live up to your moral standard, and who/what decides what the moral standard is.

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