Obama's plan to keep and expand powers.

[Flatbow]

Not a regular here, nor much of a politics guy until the last couple of years, but I want to know if I'm reading this right.....

 

I swear I saw the other day somewhere that BO is planning on keeping and expanding the "I'm president and can do anything I want" policies that Bush instituted.

 

Did anyone see this? I can't find it now.

 

I saw martial law in the Phillipines - not pretty.

[Punk Freud]

All I have seen in this direction is Obama stating he will

REVERSE some of Bush's "executive" decisions

and signing statements that violate the constitution.

 

Nothing about the "unitary executive".

The UE is what you are refering to?

Nixon, a rabid republican is the father of

"I'm president and can do anything I want"

 

Specifically:

FROST:

So what in a sense, you're saying is that there are certain situations, and the Huston Plan or that part of it was one of them, where the president can decide that it's in the best interests of the nation or something, and do something illegal.

 

NIXON:

Well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal.

 

FROST:

By definition.

 

NIXON:

Exactly. Exactly. If the president, for example, approves something because of the national security, or in this case because of a threat to internal peace and order of significant magnitude, then the president's decision in that instance is one that enables those who carry it out, to carry it out without violating a law. Otherwise they're in an impossible position.

[Gmofftarki]

Not a regular here, nor much of a politics guy until the last couple of years, but I want to know if I'm reading this right.....

 

I swear I saw the other day somewhere that BO is planning on keeping and expanding the "I'm president and can do anything I want" policies that Bush instituted.

 

Did anyone see this? I can't find it now.

 

I saw martial law in the Phillipines - not pretty.

 

 

Called it:

http://www.stripersonline.com/surfta...6&postcount=41

[Potomacduck]

All I have seen in this direction is Obama stating he will

REVERSE some of Bush's "executive" decisions

and signing statements that violate the constitution.

 

Nothing about the "unitary executive".

The UE is what you are refering to?

Nixon, a rabid republican is the father of

"I'm president and can do anything I want"

 

 

 

Specifically:

FROST:

So what in a sense, you're saying is that there are certain situations, and the Huston Plan or that part of it was one of them, where the president can decide that it's in the best interests of the nation or something, and do something illegal.

 

NIXON:

Well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal.

 

FROST:

By definition.

 

NIXON:

Exactly. Exactly. If the president, for example, approves something because of the national security, or in this case because of a threat to internal peace and order of significant magnitude, then the president's decision in that instance is one that enables those who carry it out, to carry it out without violating a law. Otherwise they're in an impossible position.

 

 

Wow, it took less than one post to divert attention away from Obama and make this about Nixon!

 

Aw heck, President Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus so I guess it's OK for Obama to do anything he wants!

[fishnmagician]

I remember stating long ago,

that "Conservatives" would ONLY get concerned about the expansion of powers, once a Democrat took office.

[Flatbow]

Who's a conservative?

 

I just want to know that there's a check and balance to keep the guy responsible to "We the people" like he's supposed to be.

I may be getting a little slow in my old age, but when I hear words and phrases being thrown around such as "Messiah", "The One", etc, coupled with letting him run riot doing whatever he wants - with or without our knowledge, I get nervous for our future.

[Connetquot]

I think whomever is inthe WHite House (R or D) they are going to at least try to retain the Executive Powers that have been accumulated by the previous Presidents and likely see how far they can expand them.

 

As far as public statements and intent, the only thing I seen, read or heard have been intimations that the incoming Administration would use Executive Orders to undo specific Executive Orders that the Bush Administration has put in force (Drilling in Utah and Stem Celle Research Restrictions, specifically) that they disagree with and feel that they do not need to wait for Congressional action to change.

 

You can be sure that there are any number of groups that will be watching to see what Executive Orders might come out and how they would impact their interests. Additionally, many of these same groups are watching the various websites of groups who are affiliated with or backed the Obama campaign to see if there are any "telegraphed" intentions of policy popping up on these groups agendas (Move On, change.gov, barackobama.com).

 

But, I don't think there has been any announcement of a plan to run the government by EO and declare Obama "President for Life".

 

Jeff B.

[fishnmagician]

but when I hear words and phrases being thrown around such as "Messiah", "The One", etc, coupled with letting him run riot doing whatever he wants - with or without our knowledge, I get nervous for our future.

 

 

Link?

I don't think ANY Democrats have called him this,

I don't think ANY Democrats are comfortable with the expansion of power.

 

I think it's right wingers who call him Messiah,

and right wingers who are now fearful of the Bush Power grab, in the hands of a Dem.

[Nessmuk]

 

I swear I saw the other day somewhere that BO is planning on keeping and expanding the "I'm president and can do anything I want" policies that Bush instituted.

 

Did anyone see this? I can't find it now.

 

I saw martial law in the Phillipines - not pretty.

 

 

 

A little melodramatic, don't you think?

 

I'm curious, which policy that Bush instituted are you refering to? Surely not the Executive Order, which is quite a lot older than the Bush administration, and Constitutional.

[Potomacduck]

I remember stating long ago,

that "Conservatives" would ONLY get concerned about the expansion of powers, once a Democrat took office.

 

 

 

Then you were talking to/about/with the wrong people. Many of us conservatives were greatly conserned about Bush's expansion of powers. Many of us spoke out against it.

[Flatbow]

Don't let's get fired up here - maybe I did read it wrong and he's "only" going to keep what he's got, or will get, come Jan.

 

Melodramatic? Perhaps, but like everything in life, things have to begin somewhere, and then it expands. Slippery slope. Personally, I'm concerned that somehow he'll use the "I can do anything if it's an emergency" thing coupled with Homeland Security or some "Terrorist Event" to make a grab for guns - even if it's something like local registry. Remember the camel under the tent?

[Nessmuk]

Well, I think it's safe to say martial law in the US is "out there" as a worry. What you'll likely see is several Executive Orders get rescinded, a few more get issued, and perhaps a hamstringing of the Patriot Act. It also sounds like we'll see a flurry of legislation hit Congress right off the bat. And the whole lot of it will be monitored by the courts as is supposed to happen.

 

I wouldn't worry about it. It'll be business as usual. Obama is just looking for a little shock effect. We'll see if it backfires.

[Aquacide]

its nice to see the ******* getting bunched over 'executive powers', wait until he starts quoting 'executive privilige' . . .

 

what goes around

[Potomacduck]

That........and a couple deconstructionist Supreme Court Justices.

[Flatbow]

Like I said, I'm not much of a politics guy - I just dont want our children going from being told "You'll do it because I say so" from their parents to

"You'll do it because I say so" from the President.

 

So far I think I've been called a conservative, and a neocon, whatever that is.

Me? I'm Lithuanian.