Skitter Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Why do you think would do a better job in this area come 2009? McCain or Obama? (*member formerly known as 'Skitterpop') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjftw Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Why do you think McCain or Obama would do a better job in this area come 2009? Obama, hands down. McCain doesn't know how to talk to anybody... "Pre-Conditions" what a crock of $%&! You think health care is expensive now?Wait until it's free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquacide Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 it ranks equal with the economy. America is on the brink of bankrupcy, it cannot afford more wars and needs to cut its defence budget by 2/3 to pay down the debt and rebuild its crumbling infrastructure. Outside of America the consensus is that the US is losing the war on terror economically, and the Al Qeada endorsement of McCain is consistent with their ideology over the last two years - that engaging the US on foreign soil is crippling morally and financially. AQ fully believes that they can fight a unilateral US for 30, 40 or even 50 years and come out victors. So the US needs to be in lockstep with the UK, EU, Canada, NZ, Australia etc to beat them - and that group sees diplomacy and an even hand on Israel as the way. Whilst McCain will reach out to the Allies, he will not lead them whereas Obama would IMO. If McCain is elected you can expect a major AQ attack on US assets overseas or remotely (Hawaii, Guam ?) as AQ seeks to provoke McCain into more military commitments. McCain also would face more pressure from his party to act, whereas Obama will use force in its proper place - as a last resort. GB Disclaimer: the above may not represent the actual views of the writer, but may have been expressed sarcastically/ ironically with the sole intention of providing humour. That notwithstanding, the writer retains the right to be emotionally, psychologically or alcohol/substance impaired at the time of writing (*member formerly known as 'guernseybass') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Jigger Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Personally, I would like to see the US become less involved internationally and focus more on our own house. Let Russia and the rest of Europe work it out among themselves. Same with the Middle East. China and India can work out their differences, and we have no more business telling China and Taiwan how to deal with each other than China has in telling us how to deal with Puerto Rico. The two Koreas seem to be doing just fine working so far, too. We should be no one's knight in shining armor. "…if catching fish is your only objective, you are either new to the game or too narrowly focused on measurable results.” - D. Stuver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesbion Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Al Qeada endorsement of McCain is consistent with their ideology over the last two years - that engaging the US on foreign soil is crippling morally and financially. Your AQ "endorsement" shows me just how gullible you are in believing such a farce...I guess this is standard fare for all Obama subjects...anything else you say tends to invalidate your presumptive reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippylures Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 it ranks equal with the economy. America is on the brink of bankrupcy, it cannot afford more wars and needs to cut its defence budget by 2/3 to pay down the debt and rebuild its crumbling infrastructure. Outside of America the consensus is that the US is losing the war on terror economically, and the Al Qeada endorsement of McCain is consistent with their ideology over the last two years - that engaging the US on foreign soil is crippling morally and financially. AQ fully believes that they can fight a unilateral US for 30, 40 or even 50 years and come out victors. So the US needs to be in lockstep with the UK, EU, Canada, NZ, Australia etc to beat them - and that group sees diplomacy and an even hand on Israel as the way. Whilst McCain will reach out to the Allies, he will not lead them whereas Obama would IMO. If McCain is elected you can expect a major AQ attack on US assets overseas or remotely (Hawaii, Guam ?) as AQ seeks to provoke McCain into more military commitments. McCain also would face more pressure from his party to act, whereas Obama will use force in its proper place - as a last resort. GB it seems to me that the reps have put them on the run, after the dems. put them on the porch. these countries are scared shetless of mccain, kinda like reagan , I think aq views obama like carter, I like when they are hiding in caves in their own land, rather then hiding in the new york city subways.IMO I learned all I want to know about Islam on 9.11.01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquacide Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 it seems to me that the reps have put them on the run, after the dems. put them on the porch. with the greatest of respect Skippy, both you and Jesbian are looking at it from purely a traditional American perspective. go outside of America and the perspectives are very different - 4,500 allied war deaths, bombings in London, Madrid and twice in Bali, three UK & EU foiled plots against multiple US passenger planes, $3 trillion dollars and six years of conflict is not seen as 'putting them on the run'. AQ can and will exhaust the US militarily and economically - the UK took 25 years to defeat the IRA, and in the end diplomacy won it not force. Spain has been fighting ETA for at least 30 years with no end in sight. the only way to defeat AQ is through diplomacy to cut off their funds and their support and marginalise them enough that the domestic security forces can cope with them. It is niaive to think that AQ doesn't want to continue to engage the US overseas - for their aim is not to take control of Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan, but to defeat the US. AQ fears the effects of diplomacy much more- as diplomacy can fail but it can't be beaten. mark my words now, within 12 months of a McCain presidency AQ will attack the US in some way. to think otherwise is to think that AQ are dumb, which they are not. Disclaimer: the above may not represent the actual views of the writer, but may have been expressed sarcastically/ ironically with the sole intention of providing humour. That notwithstanding, the writer retains the right to be emotionally, psychologically or alcohol/substance impaired at the time of writing (*member formerly known as 'guernseybass') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitter Posted November 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Personally, I would like to see the US become less involved internationally and focus more on our own house. Let Russia and the rest of Europe work it out among themselves. Same with the Middle East. China and India can work out their differences, and we have no more business telling China and Taiwan how to deal with each other than China has in telling us how to deal with Puerto Rico. The two Koreas seem to be doing just fine working so far, too. We should be no one's knight in shining armor. I agree with your post Ditch and would like to see a big improvement with international relations. This can be done with meetings of goodwill and chill on the chest thumping and military excursions. At the same time work on fixing our house as you say but building our military capabilities with strong oversight on wasted and misdirected billions tossed about. (*member formerly known as 'Skitterpop') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitter Posted November 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 Your AQ "endorsement" shows me just how gullible you are in believing such a farce...I guess this is standard fare for all Obama subjects...anything else you say tends to invalidate your presumptive reasoning. Maybe you can beat them with bible quotes? I think Guernsey is straight on with his interpretation. (*member formerly known as 'Skitterpop') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippylures Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 diplomacy does not work when it comes to radicals, death of christians is what works for them, MCcain knows how to keep us safe, if we have to pay out our a$$, and stomp on some heads I am all for it. Obama wants to give them the keys. clearly our next war will be with Iran, Obama in, they get the bomb, MCcain in, no chance. I learned all I want to know about Islam on 9.11.01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitter Posted November 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 diplomacy does not work when it comes to radicals, death of christians is what works for them, MCcain knows how to keep us safe, if we have to pay out our a$$, and stomp on some heads I am all for it. Obama wants to give them the keys. clearly our next war will be with Iran, Obama in, they get the bomb, MCcain in, no chance. No need for apologies. The world you describe cannot hurt us. (*member formerly known as 'Skitterpop') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needlefishaddict Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 diplomacy does not work when it comes to radicals, death of christians is what works for them, MCcain knows how to keep us safe, if we have to pay out our a$$, and stomp on some heads I am all for it. Obama wants to give them the keys. clearly our next war will be with Iran, Obama in, they get the bomb, MCcain in, no chance. yeah. He kept us safe by being one of the loudest endorsers of sending our troops to a war that was manufactured on a LIE. And...if he says that he knows how to capture Bin Laden. Then why the hell doesn't he just tell everyone. If he has know for so long and kept it a secret...I would call that TREASON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skitter Posted November 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 I think McCain plans on putting on a post election rally with Sarah speaking just over the border in Pakistan thus luring Bin Laden out to witness the event. She will then hoist a RPG from her podium and take out the big guy. (*member formerly known as 'Skitterpop') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquacide Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 diplomacy does not work when it comes to radicals, death of christians is what works for them, really ? weren't the IRA radicals and killing christians of one kind then ? 25 years of Military action had no effect. McCain has no idea how to keep America safe, he just has rhetoric. Disclaimer: the above may not represent the actual views of the writer, but may have been expressed sarcastically/ ironically with the sole intention of providing humour. That notwithstanding, the writer retains the right to be emotionally, psychologically or alcohol/substance impaired at the time of writing (*member formerly known as 'guernseybass') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippylures Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 really ? weren't the IRA radicals and killing christians of one kind then ? 25 years of Military action had no effect. McCain has no idea how to keep America safe, he just has rhetoric. I just can not go along with it, first cut will be 1/4 of defense budget, as barney rubble said this morning,we do not need missile defense, we can sell it to russia, but the people that do not want to work will have nicer shoes I learned all I want to know about Islam on 9.11.01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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