xfrodobagginsx Posted October 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 On 10/17/2018 at 9:13 PM, EBHarvey said: frodo, serious question...if god wants us to believe in him, believe in jesus, etc, why doesn't he just come down here and be all like "see, here I am, worship my son or else". pretty sure that would work on like 99% of us. Jesus came down here and performed miracles, fed the 5,000, made the blind to see, lame to walk, raised the dead, turned water into wine, predicted His own death and resurrection and then died and rose again and yet many still don't believe in Him. With that said, God doesn't work the way you are saying. He requires a measure of faith on our part because He needs us to trust Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquacide Posted October 20, 2018 Report Share Posted October 20, 2018 No. Show me the money. Disclaimer: the above may not represent the actual views of the writer, but may have been expressed sarcastically/ ironically with the sole intention of providing humour. That notwithstanding, the writer retains the right to be emotionally, psychologically or alcohol/substance impaired at the time of writing (*member formerly known as 'guernseybass') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfrodobagginsx Posted October 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 23 hours ago, Aquacide said: No. Show me the money. Joh 20:29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquacide Posted October 21, 2018 Report Share Posted October 21, 2018 15 hours ago, xfrodobagginsx said: Joh 20:29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." So blind faith rules - just like the blind faith shown to the Dravidian, Pol Pot etc Disclaimer: the above may not represent the actual views of the writer, but may have been expressed sarcastically/ ironically with the sole intention of providing humour. That notwithstanding, the writer retains the right to be emotionally, psychologically or alcohol/substance impaired at the time of writing (*member formerly known as 'guernseybass') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xfrodobagginsx Posted October 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Aquacide said: So blind faith rules - just like the blind faith shown to the Dravidian, Pol Pot etc My faith is NOT blind. It is backed up by science, history and intellectual reasoning, but it is not dependent on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/19/2018 at 0:57 PM, Dave588 said: The first gods on planet were not god. They created the definition of god and falsely gave it to themselves. These false gods claimed the surfaces of the planet. The average person was a slave with no rights to property, even their own children. In different areas, an oral telling of a true god caused an awareness which undermined the false gods. How can you say that there is no god? In the beginning Man created God; and in the image of Man created he him. And Man gave unto God a multitude of names,that he might be Lord of all the earth when it was suited to Man The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave588 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 13 mins ago, Joe said: In the beginning Man created God; and in the image of Man created he him. And Man gave unto God a multitude of names,that he might be Lord of all the earth when it was suited to Man It happened and it happens today. Religion itself is not without its transgressors. However, in midst of suffering on earth, at risk of painful death, certain leaders set forth the greatest religion which basically overwhelmed the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 3 mins ago, Dave588 said: It happened and it happens today. Religion itself is not without its transgressors. However, in midst of suffering on earth, at risk of painful death, certain leaders set forth the greatest religion which basically overwhelmed the others. Love of money? The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave588 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 2 mins ago, Joe said: Love of money? Power, Easy living, it exists. There are real prophets, preachers, practitioners and there are fakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMc Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 6 mins ago, Joe said: Love of money? I would have went with love of little boys, myself. MickAff 1 You know it must be a penguin bound down if you hear that terrible screaming and there ain't no other birds around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 38 mins ago, Dave588 said: Power, Easy living, it exists. There are real prophets, preachers, practitioners and there are fakes. You can't get me to believe it. There are only fakes. The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave588 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 48 mins ago, Joe said: You can't get me to believe it. There are only fakes. You ever release a fish ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave588 Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeMc said: I would have went with love of little boys, myself. In closet, hiding behind facade, easy living with false respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 5 mins ago, Dave588 said: You ever release a fish ? No legal ones The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belmo Posted October 22, 2018 Report Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Dave588 said: There are real prophets, preachers, practitioners I'll take the under. Terri Mae does not approve this message, but screw him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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