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This Sen is dillusional, but let's discuss his goal

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Universal Health Care - he wants it for everyone!

 

We (the US) don't have a pot to piss in with a deficit growing faster than China's economy.

 

To frame this 'goal' in black and white ... I see it this way.

 

1.) You can use federal tax moneys and subsidize universal health care

2.) You can use federal legislation and reduce health care charges

 

I don't see anything imbetween

 

Can it be done?? Well, we can't afford it as a nation. So we could cap medical + hospital + prescription charges (I actually think this is a valid option but wonder if the AMA could sqwash it)

 

The model employed in Denmark seems intriguing and unfortunatly, the US never seems to want to use a model from abroad (like we have to invent everything)

 

check it out -

 

Kennedy pushes for universal health coverage

 

New chairman of Senate Health comm. wants to extend Medicare to all

 

 

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Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., chairman of the Senate Health committee wants everyone to be required to have health insurance.

 

 

 

WASHINGTON - The federal government should join the state of Massachusetts in enacting universal health coverage, said Sen. Edward Kennedy, the new chairman of the Senate committee with jurisdiction over numerous health issues.

 

Kennedy's home state is the first to require everyone to have health insurance, just as drivers must have automobile coverage.

 

Kennedy has his own version of what universal health coverage would look like. He wants to extend Medicare to all. In his first hearing Wednesday as chairman of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, the Massachusetts Democrat called on 10 witnesses from all over the country to talk about how to make health care more affordable.

 

Solutions and working models

Kennedy emphasized how Democratic legislators in his home state worked last year with Republican Gov. Mitt Romney in crafting universal coverage there. He wants the same spirit of compromise to take hold in Congress.

 

However, the hearing also showed that finding agreement won't be easy. While all the witnesses agreed that health care is becoming less affordable every year, they often had polar opposite solutions.

 

For example, the Business Roundtable renewed its calls to change medical liability laws and for the federal government to give consumers more information about the cost and quality of the care they get, two priorities often cited by the Bush administration.

 

"High health care costs are affecting job creation, and high health care costs are hurting our ability to compete in global markets," said Larry Burton, the roundtable's executive director.

 

But Andrew Stern, international president of the Service Employees International Union, called for much more dramatic change. He told lawmakers that it's time to recognize that employer-based coverage "is dead." The statement infers a much more active role for the federal government in funding health care.

 

Karen Davis of the Commonwealth Fund, which conducts health research, told lawmakers to look at Denmark as a model for the U.S. She said that nation's government pays doctors a capped rate for each of their patients, plus additional amounts when they perform a service. Each doctor handles about 1,500 patients, and they can handle walk-ins and same-day appointments. Doctors are also readily available during the off-hours, too, she said. And Denmark residents love their health care system, she said.

 

Some agreement found

Most of the witnesses agreed on two points:

 

First, Congress should expand funding for a health insurance program that now provides health insurance to about 5 million children. The children live in families that make too much to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to afford the monthly health insurance premiums offered through the private sector.

 

Second, Congress should not get in the way of states trying to expand the number of their residents who have health insurance.

 

The state of Massachusetts employs a combination of subsidies and penalties to make insurance more affordable and to force people to buy it. The law requires employers with 11 or more full-time employees to offer health coverage or be subject to a $295 fee for each employee, as well as face being billed for services their uninsured employees get.

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Kennedy is a Limousine liberal and the laughing stock of the entire country not living in Massachusetts. What is wrong with letting the market economy handle the issue?? Capitalism?? I simply don't see socialism as the answer. It will be interesting to see how the current mandate for health care coverage works out for mass. How about in a year...two....three....???

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LOL! the guy next to me is here from Denmark. you wouldn't belive the horror show their health care system is. he has awesome storys!

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LOL! the guy next to me is here from Denmark. you wouldn't belive the horror show their health care system is. he has awesome storys!

 

 

well, perfect!

 

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Medicine will be socialist in the USA ina few years.

The politicalclass is run rampant in the USA.

There is no greater clamp on power than the power over life itself.

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Universal Health Care - he wants it for everyone!

 

 

 

We (the US) don't have a pot to piss in with a deficit growing faster than China's economy.

 

 

 

To frame this 'goal' in black and white ... I see it this way.

 

 

 

1.) You can use federal tax moneys and subsidize universal health care

 

 

1.5 ) $10,000.00 tax on each illegal

 

 

2.) You can use federal legislation and reduce health care charges

 

 

 

I don't see anything imbetween

 

 

 

 

I do cwm40.gif

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LOL! the guy next to me is here from Denmark. you wouldn't belive the horror show their health care system is. he has awesome storys!

 

 

I have good ones about ours too. My brother was in a private hospital in FL on a Sunday and there was was only one doctor on call for the entire hospital, just an LPN for over 12 hours. When the doctor finally did come, he ordered an EKG for rectal bleeding. We had to take him to a clinic where it was determined that he had an intestinal infection. I got better care in the third world than he did in FL. Healthcare in the US is a joke. $14K a year for premiums on a family of four and you still have to make copays and visit doctors that participate with your insurance.

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I have good ones about ours too. My brother was in a private hospital in FL on a Sunday and there was was only one doctor on call for the entire hospital, just an LPN for over 12 hours. When the doctor finally did come, he ordered an EKG for rectal bleeding. We had to take him to a clinic where it was determined that he had an intestinal infection. I got better care in the third world than he did in FL. Healthcare in the US is a joke. $14K a year for premiums on a family of four and you still have to make copays and visit doctors that participate with your insurance.

 

We agree - whoa - we agree

 

 

I also believe that our healthcare is not particularly good UNLESS you can spend, spend, spend

 

 

... and personally, I do not and never have seen any reason why a profession that is sworn to heal the sick must also be the most affluent in the nation - it's pure and simple greed

 

 

if capping medical charges supports mediocrity in the medical industry - I say so be it

 

 

at least we'll all get mediocre care [i want to know the CEO of Ford is getting NO BETTER CARE THAN MY FAMILY! - case closed]

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I have never understood how this would be paid for....I'm sure the new tax wouldn't effect the Kennedy's. Seriously, anyone have a realistic estimate of what this would cost?

 

BTW, There has to be some type of change to allow individuals and families to afford decent care; I'm not sure 'universal' healthcare is the answer. headscratch.gif

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If our taxes went up an average of $10K to finance a nationalized plan, you guys would scream bloody murder. Yet the cost to the individual either directly or through money that would be paid in wages by their employers being used for healthcare premiums exceeds the 10K for a family of four.

 

People who want to spend for superior healthcare will always be able to do so, just like they do today.

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If our taxes went up an average of $10K to finance a nationalized plan, you guys would scream bloody murder. Yet the cost to the individual either directly or through money that would be paid in wages by their employers being used for healthcare premiums exceeds the 10K for a family of four.

 

People who want to spend for superior healthcare will always be able to do so, just like they do today.

 

 

No doubt the system needs fixing. I just have seizures when I see Kennedy expounding on the needs of the middle class. Can you see teddy waiting in line for HMO style care?

 

I'm in over me head in this discussion but yes, I think $10,000 in extra taxes is too much. Any guesses as to how much it would cost? I'll google this and try and get my feet on some firm ground before I clutter up this thread anymore. But seriously Gami, if you think raising taxes $10,000 is going to improve healthcare I have to question your premise! smile.gif

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To frame this 'goal' in black and white ... I see it this way.

 

 

1.) You can use federal tax moneys and subsidize universal health care

 

2.) You can use federal legislation and reduce health care charges

 

 

 

Eliminate the political power of the American Medical Association, i.e., their monopoly over the healthcare industry.

 

 

Eliminate Medicare/Medicaid

 

 

For starters...............

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If our taxes went up an average of $10K to finance a nationalized plan........Yet the cost to the individual either directly or through money that would be paid in wages by their employers being used for healthcare premiums exceeds the 10K for a family of four.

 

 

 

 

So what if I am a family of one? I gotta pay $10k a year cause you say so?.......cwm13.gif

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