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    Patient wife, impatient dog
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  1. The Mastery Standard is labeled a freshwater line. Whether this matters or not we would need to hear from SA. I’ve used the 4,6,and 8 in saltwater and they seem to work fine. The Airflo sniper does not have a swelled front taper ( like the SA titan lines to help turnover) as best I can tell. After a standard front taper it is level. The disadvantage of the thick head is air resistance and increased drag. Fitting it on the spool is another annoyance unless you set up a reel solely for it. I use it, sold as an 8wt, on 9-10 wt rods although I don’t use it (nor other integrated shooting head lines) much. No big deal. Different strokes for different folks.
  2. No, the Mastery Standard is a temperate line with 55-60’ head and true AFTMA weight. The 8 wt Sniper I have is 1.7mm about the same as an 11 wt SA floater.
  3. Impressive review and very informative. Thanks for doing it. SA sells the Mastery Standard which is a long headed true to weight floating line that I find useful. My understanding is that the. Cortland weights refer to the first 30’ (or so I’m told) rather than the 40’ head total weight??? I don’t own one to check, however. A down side to the Airflo sniper is that it’s head is very thick for an intermediate.
  4. Here is the problem with grain weights. A 30' head that weighs 300 grains casts much 'heavier' than a 60' head that weighs 300 grains. Most of us would use an 8wt rod to throw the first line. A 5-6 wt could handle the second line. To confuse things further, AFTMA rating on the line's box should say 10wt, but few would be happy casting it on a 10wt rod.
  5. The thing is we'd still buy a new one each cycle. Marketing BS works because it tells us what we want to hear. Hearing it repeated to us makes us happy. And buying new rods is much more about feeling happy than it is about actual fishing results. I recall an employee at my local tackle store some years back who was transparently a huge BSer. He'd give me some hilariously obvious lie about how great some lure had worked for him. I'd turn and walk away feeling greatly superior for having seen right through his BS.........after buying three of the damn lures I hadn't come in for.
  6. Not necessarily. Rod manufacturers are not fools. Their lower and moderate priced offerings are often less stiff and a bit slower action. They know that most of us cast with a fixed casting arc that is longer than needed and a slower action rod suits this better. The problem arises when we think we are better than we actually are and start to overpower those rods trying to make longer casts. Slower rods start to feel mushy when rushed. We naturally assume what is needed then is a faster, stiffer, more expensive rod. But such rods make it more difficult to keep a SLP with a fixed long stroke and short line carry. Therefore, we arc more with them. So our backcast gets weaker, slack gets worse, we blame the rod for not 'loading' as advertised and buy a heavier line. Give that same rod and line back to the guy who designed it, he shortens the arc, times his haul better, and ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing out goes the whole line.
  7. I'm as frustrated as anyone else, but I think us fisherman are the problem. Guys who design rods can cast well. They build rods that cast well when people who can cast well use them. Most of us do not cast well or anywhere close to it. When we use the same line as the rod designer tested his rod with we throw a poorer backcast with slack. The slack means the line feels lighter when we start forward (we only move part of the length so its inertia is less). We mis-interpret this to be the rod's fault and feel it needs a heavier line. A heavier line does indeed help since that same poor backcast with all that slack now contains more mass per inch so the part we can move first weighs more. Line manufacturers want to sell lines. They are happy to go with the flow and overweight or mislabel their lines to meet the demand generated by us predominant low intermediate level casters. All it took was one company to realize that by overweighting and mislabeling lines they would help the average caster be happier. The other companies had no choice but to do the same or loose market share.
  8. I've played around some (both fishing and practicing) with this technique and find it hard to cast beyond about 60' using it. Accuracy is also haphazard with it although I'm certainly not an expert at it. It has some utility dealing with mild on shoulder wind, and throwing straight down wind or a little to the left (R hand caster) when things are swirling and it is unclear if you should reverse sides or not. The side arm backcast combined with an over the top delivery also has use throwing heavy flies (Tim Rajeff/ Gink & Gasoline has a video discussing this). Most of the video has to do with hauling correctly although he does not seem to appreciate how his huge arm swing is helping him (it could well be different for others) time things better. Done correctly tension can be maintained no matter how you decide to make a backcast.
  9. I buggered my elbow doing this, Mike. If you can, seek out help from the guys at the BFCC meets before trying it. I wish we had a resource like that here in the NE USA. It is important to understand the correct way to block the forearm and let the wrist flop over on the backcast. If you let the forearm and elbow get past the shoulder going back before rotating the elbow then the strain can cause trouble. It is also important to learn to brace the rod butt against the forearm on the backcast and to keep the forearm and rod in the same vertical plane.
  10. They are the same thing, Peter, as you discuss in your whip analogy. Note the speed equation that supports your point about line velocity speeding up as it enters the loop. This, however, does not speed up the loop ……..unless the mass in the loop also changes. What about this do you think keeps a line aloft?
  11. I got a chance to cast a 40-50 year old brown Fenwick 7wt not long ago. It was missing a few inches from the tip and had some nondescript 15yo line on it. Heavy and slow. Yet I think it threw about as far as the 7wt Asquith and SA Amplitude Bonefish line I had tested on the same field a few weeks earlier (that rod I sent back). Not side by side nor did I measure anything but for fishing purposes I'd suspect the distance performance would be very close. I plan to get (or borrow) one to practice with. Casting stiff rods all the time can mask sloppy power application faults. I think those rods were designed by Jim Green who I understand is considered one of the best fly rod designers ever.
  12. Hi Peter I assume this is what you are referring to.............although I'm unconvinced as to its role in keeping a loop aloft. Keeping an open mind, however.
  13. Amen Been picking away at small bass for about a week. My 80+ year old friend has been complementing my improved casting while out fishing me 4:1. Even worse, he's doing it with a fluorescent orange fly!
  14. Yeah, well said. This thread is way off track and I'm sorry for my part in that.
  15. Hi Peter Your question is ambiguously phrased. Does "entering" mean about to enter or already in? And "velocity" requires a direction designation, otherwise one is referring to "speed". The line ABOUT to enter the loop is "coasting". As soon as it enters the loop its FORWARD velocity begins to drop and reaches zero at the loop front. Forward velocity remains at zero thereafter. The loop itself does not continue to pull it forward. Rather the loop itself just moves on like a wave between the rod leg and fly leg. A point on the line does move towards the rod leg while in the loop, so it has a DOWNWARD velocity (for a vertical loop) until it joins the rod leg. And for your other question, trajectory matters. Peter, I'm impressed that you figured this all out alone in 1968. It is a shame you weren't (and aren't) participating in the SL forum where truly smart guys (not me!) have been dissecting everything about a fly cast for decades....and still are. You would have fit right in. I think, however, you are making things overly complex by attributing a life of sorts to the loop. Yeah it is a fascinating phenomenon but it does not drive the cast. Rather, it is just the result of the forces driving the cast. One force is the momentum imparted to the line and carried by the fly leg and the other force is the pullback by caster still holding the rod (let go of the rod and the momentum of the fly leg would pull it forward). Two opposing forces working against each other through a medium (the line) creates tension, and that is carried by the rod leg. The loop is just where momentum becomes tension. It matters because when casting we all focus on the loop (or the rod) whereas we should be focusing on the fly leg that drives the whole process. G