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  1. I decided not to return the Sonar Saltwater Intermediate they shipped me accidentally after you mentioned that it too was a good line, so I have one for the Asia trip. Still have the titan intermediate on my reel but ordered the Airflo Saltwater Intermediate on your recommendation to see if it is less lumpy. Reading the many comments on this post, my PERSONAL takeaway is that I will likely want to have a sinking (SA SONAR TITAN INT / SINK 3 / SINK 5) and a floater (Am thinking ahout the Airflo Saltwater floater if the Intermediate version of same line works for my 9wt Exocett) on spare spools so I am ready for anything. As a rookie, I figure really need to be moving a lot and fishing a lot of different water and trying a wide range of tactics so I can rapidly collect a lot of mistakes and "data" to get up and running. I don't have my bearings yet in the salt game. Not having much success (not what I am used to on freshwater)....but will keep testing and learning. Still waiting on the first "aha", but still in struggling phase.
  2. Thank you @CaryGreen. Many useful lenses in this post of yours....especially for this beginner.
  3. So much great advice on here guys. Thank YOU..... I've gained a lot of lenses (ways of looking at the problem) from the myriad responses and have definitely taken a lot away from this thread to experiment away......
  4. Hmmmm....Now that you mentioned down sizing....maybe that might be a good path for my 9wt too.....Cary recommended the Airflo salt for me....but his glowing review of that camo intermediate line has me feeling fomo.
  5. I get the sense that the tactics are all still evolving on shore fishing with a fly rod and it is very likely that what is happening with this change of tune you are observing are people settling on **dominant** tactics for them **for the conditions they fish*....there is definitely much more that can be done in terms of being more specific about the specific conditions specific tactics, and setups are better fitted we can actually move closer towards codifying all of the learnings from this great group of very thoughtful enthusiasts......if not to codify but to provide those coming in with useful experiments to run on their own outings....
  6. Thanks @Mike Oliver! As it gets cold in my first fall striper season, I am going to try using waders first - pretty much my winter fishing set up (I fish all thru the winter on rivers) with the wading jacket over waders over synthetic layers under with belt over jacket see how well that holds up. I just don't think I could swim very well in this setup if I get rolled...not that I have tried. I think for the summer I am not really concerned with staying dry. For my first outing this past (hot) weekend, I had my freshwater wet wading set up, which is pretty 'dialed in': 1. Top: Cheap UV sun hoodie I pre-treated and dried with permethrin clothing spray (stays on for 7-8 washes or more) to keep those pesky horse flies far from me. 2. Bottom: My old surf leggings with stirrups, with a pair of thin shorts over it. Am considering treating these pieces too. But it's been an almost completely bug free summer for me thus far since I started treating my might be overkill to treat. 3. Feet: Instead of heavy wading boots, my cheap pair of neoprene zip up booties (with a good rubber sole), and a long pair of wool socks with the mid section folded over the top of the booties to keep sand from going in. The top band of the socks are tight over my calves, so it's just the mid section pulled over. If I am planning to fish a jetty I'll probably swap out the neoprene booties for my heavy studded korkers wading boots and a pair of wading socks for the day. (Still so much to learn fishing the salt on the fly.....I almost never fish streamers in rivers, so am really happy this is forcing me out of my comfort zone)
  7. @CaryGreene Again...THANK YOU...this is more than any rookie can ask much insight. My reel actually got mistakenly shipped with this line at first (before I asked them to send me the Titan and I was about to return it. Now I am considering keeping it for chasing those purrrrteeee (but easy to spook) Arowanas when I head to Asia. Which, along with the Airflo Saltwater cold, would leave me with three intermediate lines!! LOL. Guess I am past "dabbling in salt". (Caught three last weekend on my first saltwater outing casting to near shore "nervous" water, but they were all small not counted :D) I have the 80lb Seguar blue label on order but likely would not order the #40 to save some money (I have spools of #50, #30, #20 and #15, #12 for tippet). Will be taking your formulas as baseline but I think with the spools I have I'll probably have option to test out a smoother taper. Thank you so much. Someone should turn posts like these into "Chapters" for An SOL Best off E-book. This is PURE GOLD.
  8. @CaryGreene Thank you so much for the detailed response!! Yes I am using the 9wt version of this line. I've loved the Single hand Exocett since I first saw it and casted a friend's rod casually but never had a use for it because I had been very fixated on trout, then as I was researching the kind of saltwater fishing I might enjoy the stars aligned and I found a used one with minor boat rash so I jumped for it. I was expecting it to be much heavier coming from a 3wt and 5wt...but am really surprised at how light it is. NOWWWW i get why it feels so janky. Yep. I was MAX able to get the fly out to 70' but let's just say I was hoping none of the people who saw me in the park was a fly angler! My all out casts averaged 60' for the casting session in very mild breeze. 4 : 2.5 : 1 : 1 Leader Material - Seguar Blue Label Fluorocarbon, double uni knot joined. The material is nice and stiff and the finished leader is easy to hand cast on its own with tightish loops and lays out clean (not sure if anyone serious tests this way lol). 50LB: .028 in (simple clinch knot to the fly line loop (habit from Euro Nymphing set up) 30LB: .020 in 20lb: .016 in <micro spro swivel Size 10>. Clinch knot on both ends. Very tight hinging detected. 15LB: .013 in The max diameter is their 80lb one at 0.032 in. Which I did not pick up a roll of. Turnover of a tightly rolled up piece of paper similar weight to a size 2/0 clouser seemed to turn over ok. Fly consistently landed at front of leader, but did not lay out straight, not sure if because of fly line or leader or my lack of skill. Ok will pick it up. THANKS!! Cool thing is if I like it the floater has exact same grain weight and taper. I am assuming I should just look for a fast sinker with similar profile and grain weight. I am looking at picking up a hot weather intermediate line to go fishing Snakeheads and Peacock bass in Asia...and Asian Arowana....and it looks like the airflo saltwater might work in a pinch....air temps there is 95 degrees? Arowanas - beautiful creatures This is gold thank you. This paragraph is packed densely with insight for this rookie. I am imagining that based on what you are saying here...if one slowed the stroke down that also means less line speed? Its just the clunkiness of the whole experience when compared to my long head SA Amplitude Infinity camo floater on my 5wt 9'6" Radian. So you might be right. It's much less satisfying to cast even if I do manage to 'get it out there'. No precision. I got no reference point though because I don't think i have ever fished beyond 40' in the rivers (the PHD level fish on the Delaware might be forcing me to sharpen up my skills tho - I swear they spook if you look at them wrong) I don't think I am a good caster. Have been stuck in this cycle of Euronymphing (which relies on a 4x thin 20' Spanish leader, no fly line out the rod tip, which demands a completely different cast), and Tenkara for bluelining on small streams, which is netting me A LOT of fish, but downside is I have not been practicing my long game much and it is getting monotonous. I am hoping going out on the salt would FORCE me to get good at the long game. Thank you so much for all the guidance so far. (I will post a video when I get past getting the basics consistent, would be silly not to take up an offer for instruction.)
  9. Thanks for chiming in. This one does look interesting. Am going to add this to the list of "to try"s.
  10. @CaryGreene Thank you so much for this excellent review and for taking the time to test and write this out for the rest of us. MUCH APPRECIATED. I've been researching the optimal full intermediate line that I can grow into for my first saltwater outfit (9'9wt T&T Exocett) to be used a majority of the time for wadable shore fishing - beach, jetties, backbays etc. This weekend will be my first foray out on the salt coming from river fly fishing. I have lined it with the Sonar Titan Full Intermediate for surf/jetties/backbay prospecting work, and after casting at the park, am definitely feeling what you are saying about how the line is a bear to cast, it gets really unstable once I have more running line out the rod tip (is this normal?). It shoots a lot of line however. I've got a 50lb>30lb>20lb>swivel>15lb fluoro leader in 4 : 2.5 : 1 : 1 ratio and I am using a tightly rolled clouser-weight short tight roll of paper to simulate real world conditions. I am doing about 55-65 feet max now on average but am still trying to dial my casting stroke in for more line speed/ this could just be my (lack of proper) technique. And this is under very gentle wind conditions. Here is my confusion. Your glowing review of the SA Camo intermediate and its properties makes me really keen on trying it out. However in comparing the head weights of both lines (SA SONAR Titan: 360, SA Camo Intermediate: 395), I am noticing that the Camo Intermediate is a whole 35 grains if the 360 grain Titan is already feeling clunky, and as you said heavy, wouldn't the Camo intermediate 'overload' my rod if I have the full head out? Do you, under such circumstances simply keep more of the head of a longer head line in the rod tip to "dial it in" for your rod's casting sweet spot and shoot the rest for distance? Or do you aerialize all of the head and change your casting stroke (how?)? Coming from freshwater, I rarely have to cast more than 40 feet so casting for distance is really new for me)
  11. THANK YOU Mike for these pointers. (Really appreciate everyone's pointers on here) "Just a word of warning casting clousers. A lot of ready mades have very heavy eyes and they are a real pig to cast. You are new and it is a bit different so if the wind is on your casting shoulder and you stay with it more than an even chance you will get a fly to rod collision. This can fracture your rod let alone what it might do to you. Hopefully you will know how to cast with your back to the water when the wind is like this. If you tye your own flies so much the better. Spirit River do Clouser eyes called Real Eyes and their smallest size in a 5/32 casts pretty well. They are ok with hooks up to a size 1or 1/0. Again transitioning from fresh to salt it will really help you cast, greatly if you cast from an open stance and watch your back cast all the way. It means your timing will be spot on and that you take all slack out of the system. This is massive. "
  12. I'm gonna be that guy. While I love my nymphing and dry/drydropper fly rod reel set ups for medium to larger rivers that I fish most of the time. For really small streams I am almost always fishing Tenkara - be it dry fly, wet flies, or nymphs - on a tight line. I have a 12' Tenkara rod that is laser accurate out to 22'-24' (total with rod length) and an 8' one (i can fit in my pocket retracted) for really tight quarters. It's a super lightweight, accurate, and having at most my tippet in/on the water means I get to present my flies without worrying too much about drag. Have caught browns up to 17" on the 12-footer and up to 12" on the 8 footer. Sidearm low to the water casts and bow/arrow casts are common, under branches, into under cut banks. Wading up a small tribs with gradient, and making precise shots pulling fish out from pocket to pocket with a super light and accurate fixed line rod is a lot of fun.
  13. This will be the setup I try first this week... Thanks Gilbey!!!
  14. Thanks Mike. Have the line tray ready for my first outing this weekend. If you see a guy with an Exocett flailing away on the beach clumsily come say hi.