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Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
It did do that on the larger rockaway but on the beach boost I think the rod overloads a lot and you get ground collision problem. This is why I think the rockaway type rod much better learning tool. For starters, you can start with that Moy cast real fast. I will have to go out and examine from the Five Essentials standpoint or viewpoint as to why the Moy cast doesn't work exactly. But I think it is as you said--overload. -
Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
Did this get posted already this is new release Airflo Rage Compact with integrated running line. Comes with three twelve foot tips though. Guessing only available "across the pond" i.e. in the UK. -
Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
There should be better and more options for 2H OHer lines such as more shooting heads in the required grains dedicated to Overhead Distance Casting. -
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TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
Mike I think the overloading thing was the first problem but even before that problem was the complete failure to employ a stop which as we all know is absolute basic point in the fly casting arena. Once I started studying the Five Essentials videos and employing the stop things quickly came together. But before that, and after I had started, I was constantly searching for "power" not realizing that stopping movement rather doing more or faster movement was the gamechanger I sought without knowing I was looking. It was all about the Five Eseentials. Accelerate to stop. But stop. The overloading part also a big problem. I thinkk the beach boost might be too floppy for Moy's belgium cast. -
Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
While I ain't figured the line situation out on these larger type rods--speaking on Rockaway 11 3/4-3--I can tell you that the Andrew Moy cast that @Mike Oliver has trumpeted seems a great cast on a setup in that arena. Talking larger grainload and stiff type rod. On the beach boost I think not. But when I was doing the Moy belgium style cast on the Rockaway with the heavy line it was quite easy and seemed that it would be quite effective. It was also easy to shoot line on the backcast although I know only reel 'em in seems to like to do that most like to rollcast the head out than one backcast and send. Finally I would like to say the beach boost is not a good beginnger rod to learn on in my opinion because it is very easy to throw huge loops. Only when you have become aquainted with the Five Essentials, as I have, can you thread the needle between the huge loop and something else which in between that thing is the correct loop-making stop location. Having said that the beach boost is actually a pretty pleasant rod to cast for the advanced beginner I have to say. I have enjoyed casting it very much. I need to work on my non-dominant hand on top -
Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
probably a price point thing compete other rod makers. Like re: reels they have shimano sperhos but they also have a shimano saragosa. Same gear set. Difference prices. Covering price points. -
He also did a Saltwater's Edge podcast that was good. Peter Jenkins is a good interviewer has pleasant voice to listen to and Bob Popovics seems pretty laid back and chill. It was like as not a good match up.
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Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
I heard back from Okuma's vice president of sales on my queries about the relationship between the Nesika and the Rockaway. They are built on the same blanks he says. -
Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
@puppet I hear you on that and your posting on nesika you did good qualifying on it as a reportage on testing not a recommendation so I hear you. Really my enthusiasm on this deal is mostly based on my rockaway casting wtihout fly. So that's where that's on. Say what type of lines you throwing on this nesika when you were doing the one @ or around @ 600 grains? Just out of curiosity as looking at lines for just general testing arsenal. Expansion is the idea. -
Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
Mike O, As to technical issue, this rockaway rod cast pretty nice with a little tuft of synthetic fibre. Very fast, very tight loops. A nice rod. But tie on a modest sized fly and it all changed. Waves. In a word, waves. Enter the technical stuff. Trying to learn on what the physics are on this deal. Partly to be able to predict what kind of rod from the spinning arena can be converted to 2H OHering. -
Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
Mike thanks appreciate these helpful posts. Pretty pleased on my neutral stance cast with the beach boost 8wt. 80 feet is pretty good on that, if I may say. What we are talking on here is the Rockaway Rod and its Suitability as a 2h OHer rod. As to that, more later. But what I have posted on recently is just what I am seeing with the lines I have available. Probably looking to get the Nesika but I want to find out if @puppet has put it through the large fly paces. Secondarily to that, here's the interesting website where I learned about the tension ideas and so forth https://thecuriousflycaster.com/articles/physics-for-fly-casting-the-einstein-series-4/ An excellent website for fly casting physics. Neutral stance means neither foot forward or back of the other but basically same distance from your target or any other thing. Where I fish you have rocks and mud and not great footing and you can't be easily shifting around feet during casting. Therefore it is a neutral cast situation. And thus you rely on that. As to creep, yes, that is a problem and trying to work on it. -
Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
@Killiefish as to your posting, probably all of the above. And then there's the question of head and so forth. I also have a short stroke neutral stance no extending arms backward past shoulder which maybe reduces opportunity to straighten line as I come forward. I keep an open mind but I think there's something in here about where you put a payload above a certain drag threshold on the end of this line on this rod the waves propogate real easy. Propogate=waves transmitted through a string medium. As in a hose or a rope. More mass transmits wave more fastly so that's involved. There's also the tension angle. Tension plays into it. I think no tension waves won't trasmit. Lots of tension waves won't transmit. Mid ground seems useful. The whole thing is very interesting as in scientifically. Your description of rockaway rod is a good one and I wonder if there's a relationship between the weight of the fly line and that tip. Although I had similar issues with the ODM DNA not exactly same but similar. Also the other rods I tried so it could be more this line along what Surflyguy was saying at. -
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TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
Was thinking on my problem after I was fishing on the beach boost last night. I observed the beach boost following the hard stop will do two bounces of the rod tip section area then quiet down. As in it will be damped down. Or dampened. Therefore it is being acted on by a force. That force can only be the rod leg of the fly line pulling on the tip of the rod. Or it could be something else. The rod leg is being pulled on by the fly leg of the line via the loop. So when the rockaway seemed to be casting pretty good with just the tuft of ep fiber I'm guessing the fly leg of loop had plenty of velocity to dampen the rod's bouncing. The velocity could be seen real easy. Simply by speed. But when you add a fly of even a small size there isn't enough velocity to dampen the bouncing. The lack of velocity was plain via slow line speed. I didn't get any further than that in thinking on it. Later I found a hack for a DIY tripod for iphone so I think I will be able to get some better video. -
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Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
I did try it with tip which was a floating tip total payload 660 grains. I also tried the tip on both ends of the skagit head and and additionally tried the tip on the reel end of the head and tip combo. Didn't really affect the manifestation. Basically--read a bit on this--what I'm getting is additional loops, if you like, going into the rod leg after the stop. So I get my initial loop and then I get these other funny shapes going into the rod as the tip bounces around. I will try to get some video so we can laugh at me. -
Getting into saltwater 2h in a budget
TopStriperAngler replied to fishfinder401's topic in Fly Fishing
LOL yeah that is true. Unfortunately for this project have found some scouts moving in and that means time to get going and probably won't be back on this deal for a good while.