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  1. On 9/14/2021 at 1:03 PM, charliestriper said:

    Also consider swamping yourself on purpose in shallow water in a lake or protected bay and have practice pumping water out and climbing back into the kayak.

    This!  You need to practice this in a safe place before you head out.  You don't want to have to figure this out for the first time out in the ocean.  As Riddler says, many people have fished out of a sit-in.  It adds a layer of complexity I'm not personally interested in dealing with.  Trying to use a hand bilge pump while floating next to a swamp kayak in the ocean before I can think about getting back in isn't on my bucket list.

  2. I've done it a couple of times in the salt marshes off of the DE bay in S. Jersey.  I take a dozen open-top traps with floats on my Hobie Outback and drop them in a line. then swing back around and pull them.  I have a bushel basket I strap to the front of the kayak I dump them in.  It gets crowded on the kayak and can be a challenge when the current is running.

  3. 2 hours ago, computeruser said:

    If my plan is to go fishing with kayak full of rods, electronics and other stuff I would never attempt to launch in conditions like this. Tip the hat to everyone who does. The fail success ratio here is maybe 6 success to 4 tip-over. Even if you get thru you and your stuff will be wet....and then you have to come back with similar odds. There are so many other places to fish where you do not need to launch thru the surf....

    I completely agree. He knows those aren’t conditions we’d fish in. He was just practicing since he was there and with no gear. I look for 0-2 ft surf. I’ll do 3 if I have to, but anything else I’m not launching. 

  4. If you remember a couple of weeks ago, I posted a video of my buddy practicing reentry on his new  2021 Hobie Outback.  This week he is down in NC and working on his surf launching technique prepping for fishing out front early fall in NJ.  Here he is experiencing what happens when it all goes wrong!



  5. 47 mins ago, cheech said:

    Nice video, the gent seemed quite comfortable out there. Was he an experienced kayaker, gymnast/athlete type, or an ordinary Joe? 

      Did the Outback take on any water?

    He's been kayaking for about 4 or 5 years.  He plays soccer and is in good shape for his age but beyond that an ordinary Joe.  We regularly jump in the water with the kids when we are just out cruising around that lake so we are both accustomed to climbing in and out of kayaks.  This was a brand new kayak so he wanted to experience how hard it would be to right it and climb back in.  

  6. 1 min ago, Oakman said:

    Granted all of the above, but the point of the exercise as I understand it is not to simulate fishing situations, but to get a feel for the stability qualities of the specific craft, and to practice self rescue in a controlled environment.  I think the owner has a good idea about how stable the craft is.  Would like to think this won't be the only practice session as gear will add another factor.  

    You are correct.  This wasn't set up to be verifiable fishing stability test.  Just, let's see how this thing does in a few circumstances and where the tipping points may be.  Doing crazy things on a kayak that you would never attempt in a fishing circumstances just creates some data points.


    The main thing I was trying to do by posting this is get people out and do it themselves.  Sure the perfect thing to do would be to take a fully loaded kayak out in the rough seas and flip it.  But the reality is that 90% of new kayak fisherman NEVER even do a self rescue in a calm lake.  We need to encourage people to at least do that, not tell them "its a waste of time and doesn't prove anything". 

  7. @buddha162 How old is your i11s?   I think it's a great platform, but my buddy has had his 4 years, taken good care of it and it developed an internal leak that's irreparable.  Another one of your fishing partners had the same thing happen to his after about the same time period, but his was a bit more abused.


    Hobie wasn't willing to warranty or do anything for either of them.  After seeing this twice, I'm now very hesitant of recommending the inflatable Hobies unless you go into it with the idea its a 4-5 year product life and then its in the trash.

  8. My buddy got a new 2021 Outback. Like I always suggest new kayak owners to do, take it out in warm calm water and flip it. Learn it’s tipping points, how to right it and self rescue. If you can’t self rescue on a a calm lake in July with an empty kayak, no way you’re doing it fully rigged in a rough October ocean. 

    I had the pleasure of recording him really giving the Outback a good evaluation. 


  9. 1 hour ago, no name said:

    ATatv223, thanks for the input. I have  tried the scrambler and it wasn't a  comfortable  seat. It's not that I'm clumsy but after 2 back surgery's I can't bend and have to lean more and that's why the high seat doesn't work for me. I do love. the seat on the old town.

    I really think your best option is a 2013 or earlier Outback. A very stable platform and the seat is the old style which is low so you’re at the water line. It’s not going to be as comfy as the newer seats. I think you’re going to have to strike a compromise between being low to the water and a very comfortable seat. 

  10. 16 hours ago, gellfex said:

    The most problematic spec you've given is 10', it's hard to be bayworthy at that length, especially at your weight. You need to demo some boats outside of the usual fishing platforms, and especially the lawn chair models. Top of my list would be a Ocean Kayak Scrambler, it's 11.5', but under 50#. Very stable, low seat. It's discontinued but being an extremely popular resort fleet boat because of their stability and that they stack, there's tons of them that come to the used market.



    I have an OK Scrambler I bought new back around 1997 that we still use today.  It's a great kayak, but I would NEVER recommend it to someone over 200 lbs who falls out of a old town predator.  I've put bigger guys in the scrambler who are new to kayaking and they fall out so fast it's hard to believe! 


    I think the OP has difficult set of criteria to meet.


    If he want's stable and close to the water, his best option may be an older Outback pre-vantage seat.  But those seats aren't what most people consider "comfortable".  

  11. 32 mins ago, ijuanaspearfish said:

    I use one very similiar to the one you posted. It leaks from porgy and sea bass spines. I just use it in yak and then empty it out when i get to my car and throw my catch in a hard cooler.

    That's what I do.  Use a cheap disposable one (though I've been using it for years) in the kayak that I don't care what happens to it.  In the car, I keep a hard cooler with fresh ice.  I dump all the slimly bloody water out of the cheap one and transfer the catch to the hard cooler for the ride home.

  12. This shouldn't be that hard, so I figured something was amiss here.  I looked into it and I was SHOCKED to find out that Thule has completely changed their classic square bar system.  Here is an excerpt I found on eTrailer which is a great source of information:


    the new Thule SquareBar that have a slot in the bottom like the aero style bars. The old Thule square load bars have been discontinued and replaced with the SquareBar like # TH712400. This bar is not designed for the older wrap around style mount but will use the channel mount like the aero bars were already using.


    With the older square bars, you just buy the feet and you can put any length bar you want.  Not so with the new system!  Since it's slotted within a particular range.


    You are going to want to check this but based on a bit of research and what I know, I would get this setup:

    Malone SteelTop Roof Rack - Square Crossbars - Raised, Factory Side Rails - Steel - 58" Long


    It's similar to the old Thule design and if 58" is quite long enough, I assume you can shift the bars to one side.


    Alternatively, you could look on eBay for some of the classic parts.


    I hope this helps.


    I'm really glad I found this out.  I won't be upgrading my Thule rack when I get a new car, I'll just swap it over.